Minor mathematical query from Griffiths [QM]

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The discussion revolves around the analytic method for solving the quantum harmonic oscillator equation, specifically focusing on the power series solution and the resulting recursion relations for coefficients. Participants explore the implications of their mathematical manipulations and the validity of approximations used in the context of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the recursion formula derived from the power series solution and questions the validity of their approach, particularly regarding the definition of coefficients for large j.
  • Another participant suggests that the treatment of odd j values in the recursion may require a different approach, referencing the Gamma function as a generalization of the factorial function.
  • A participant expresses concern that the approximation used in the analysis may fail for smaller j values, indicating that the terms near the end of the product could significantly affect the results.
  • There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the approximation, with one participant noting that Griffiths has used the approximation despite its limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the approximations used or the treatment of odd j values in the recursion formula. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correctness of the mathematical approach and the implications of the approximations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their approximations, particularly concerning the behavior of terms for smaller j values and the implications of using the Gamma function for factorials in the context of the recursion.

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Hello all,

I am trying to understand the analytic method for the solution of the (quantum) harmonic oscillator equation.

[tex]-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2} + \frac{1}{2}m\omega^{2}x^{2}\psi = E\psi[/tex]

Let

[tex]\zeta = \sqrt{\frac{m\omega}{\hbar}}x[/tex]

[tex]K = \frac{2E}{\hbar\omega}[/tex]

We consider

[tex]\psi(\zeta) = h(\zeta)e^{-\zeta^{2}/2}[/tex]

The equation transforms to,

[tex]\frac{d^2 h}{d\zeta^2} - 2\zeta\frac{dh}{d\zeta} + (K-1)h = 0[/tex]

Assuming the power series solution,

[tex]h(\zeta) = \sum_{j=0}^{\infty}a_{j}\zeta^{j}[/tex]

we get the recursion formula,

[tex]a_{j+2} = \frac{2j+1-K}{(j+1)(j+2)}a_{j}[/tex]

For large j,

[tex]a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2}{j}a_{j}[/tex]

So,

[tex]a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2}{j}\frac{2}{(j-1)}\frac{2}{(j-2)}\ldots\frac{2}{1}a_{1}[/tex]

which simplifes to

[tex]a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2^j}{j!}a_{1}[/tex]

But the solution given is

[tex]a_{j} = \frac{C}{(j/2)!} = C \frac{1}{(j/2)}}\frac{1}{((j/2)-1)}\ldots\ldots[/tex]

I think I am missing something here. What am I doing wrong? Also, I know that the [itex](j/2)![/itex] is just notation but what if the "large j" include some possibly odd values? In that case it wouldn't even be defined. Thanks for your help.

EDIT: 800th post...yay
 
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Because the index of [itex]a[/itex] is [itex]j + 2[/itex], I think

maverick280857 said:
[tex] a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2}{j}\frac{2}{(j-1)}\frac{2}{(j-2)}\ldots\frac{2}{1}a_{1}[/tex]

should, for odd [itex]j[/itex], actually be something like

[tex] a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2}{j} \frac{2}{ \left(j - 2 \right)} \frac{2}{\left( j - 4 \right)} \ldots \frac{2}{1} a_{1} \cong \frac{1}{j/2 \left( j/2 - 1 \right) \left( j/2 - 2 \right) \ldots 1/2} a_{1}.[/tex]

For real numbers, the Gamma function generalizes the factorial function.

Regards,
George
 
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George Jones said:
Because the index of [itex]a[/itex]m is [itex]j + 2[/itex], I think



should, for odd [itex]j[/itex], actually be something like

[tex] a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2}{j} \frac{2}{ \left(j - 2 \right)} \frac{2}{\left( j - 4 \right)} \ldots \frac{2}{1} a_{1} \cong \frac{1}{j/2 \left( j/2 - 1 \right) \left( j/2 - 2 \right) \ldots 1/2} a_{1}.[/tex]

For real numbers, the Gamma function generalizes the factorial function.

Regards,
George


Thanks again George! I'll look this up.
 
maverick280857 said:
Assuming the power series solution,

[tex]h(\zeta) = \sum_{j=0}^{\infty}a_{j}\zeta^{j}[/tex]

we get the recursion formula,

[tex]a_{j+2} = \frac{2j+1-K}{(j+1)(j+2)}a_{j}[/tex]

For large j,

[tex]a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2}{j}a_{j}[/tex]

So,

[tex]a_{j+2} \cong \frac{2}{j}\frac{2}{(j-1)}\frac{2}{(j-2)}\ldots\frac{2}{1}a_{1}[/tex]
Your approximation fails with all the terms near the end of the product (ie: j not large). And these terms are significantly larger than terms in the beginning, so the error gets quite big. Or am I messing up ?
 
Gokul43201 said:
Your approximation fails with all the terms near the end of the product (ie: j not large). And these terms are significantly larger than terms in the beginning, so the error gets quite big. Or am I messing up ?

Yes I think you're right...I thought about it that way (interestingly this is obvious if you expand the "factorials"). But Griffiths has used the approximation anyway.
 

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