Miscalculation with speeds of electrons?

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The discussion centers on calculating the work required to accelerate an electron from 1.2 x 10^8 m/s to 2.4 x 10^8 m/s, with the initial calculation yielding an incorrect result of 2.65 x 10^16 MeV. The correct approach involves using the Lorentz factor (gamma) to find the change in energy, resulting in a correct answer of approximately 0.294 MeV. Participants clarify that the mass of the electron, expressed as 0.511 MeV/c^2, can be confusing when converting units. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying relativistic formulas and unit conversions in particle physics calculations. Understanding these concepts is crucial for accurate results in high-energy physics scenarios.
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for the following question:
how much work (in MeV) must be done to increase the speed of an electron from 1.2*10^8 m/s to 2.4*10^8 m/s?

my problem:
E= (gamma)mc^2=m(c^2){1/[1-(2.4/30^2]-1/[1-(1.2/30^2]}
=0.511(c^2)[1/(0.6)-1/(0.84)^(1/2)]=2.65*10^16

the correct answer should be 0.294 MeV~

does anybody know what went wrong?
 
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asdf1 said:
for the following question:
how much work (in MeV) must be done to increase the speed of an electron from 1.2*10^8 m/s to 2.4*10^8 m/s?

my problem:
E= (gamma)mc^2=m(c^2){1/[1-(2.4/30^2]-1/[1-(1.2/30^2]}
=0.511(c^2)[1/(0.6)-1/(0.84)^(1/2)]=2.65*10^16

\Delta E = (\gamma_2 - \gamma_1)m_ec^2

\gamma_1 = (1-v_1^2/c^2)^{-1/2} = 1.091
\gamma_2 = (1-v_2^2/c^2)^{-1/2} = 1.667
m_ec^2 = .511 Mev

\Delta E = .576 * .511 = .294 MeV

AM
 
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i think I'm missing something...
m_ec^2 = .511 Mev
i thought that m_e=0.511?
 
m_e is the mass of the electron: 9.11 \ 10^{-31} kg. If you calculate m_e c^2 in standard units, you'll get the answer in Joules. Then convert Joules to eV. (1 eV = 1.60 \ 10^{-19} J.)
 
asdf1 said:
i think I'm missing something...
m_ec^2 = .511 Mev
i thought that m_e=0.511?
When mass is written in terms of an energy, it is understood that it is in units of Energy/c^2. The 1/c^2 is often omitted when it is written, so it can be confusing. So, m_e = .511 Mev/c^2 and m_ec^2 = .511 MeV.

AM
 
my math is crummy...
um, isn't units and the numbers multiplied separately?
so m=(0.511*c^2) MeV?
 
asdf1 said:
my math is crummy...
um, isn't units and the numbers multiplied separately?
so m=(0.511*c^2) MeV?
Well, the units are really MeV/(9e16 m^2/sec^2) which works out to 1.78e-30 kilograms. But kilograms is not a very useful unit when measuring the mass of an electron. So we just use units of MeV/c^2 or MeV-mass

m \ne .511 c^2 MeV

m = .511 (MeV/c^2) units = .511 MeV(mass)
= .511e6/9e16 eV/m^2/sec^2 = .511e6/9e16 *1.6e(-19) kg

AM
 
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thank you! :)
 
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