Mixing of substances of different temperature with change of state

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The discussion revolves around two homework problems involving the mixing of substances at different temperatures and states. In the first problem, the calculation for the amount of steam required to melt ice was initially incorrect due to miscalculating the energy needed to change the state of ice rather than considering the heat transfer correctly. For the second problem, the final temperature of the mixture was miscalculated, as the heat lost by ice must equal the heat gained by water before any temperature change occurs. Participants clarify that the energy considerations need to focus on state changes rather than temperature changes. The discussion highlights common pitfalls in thermal energy calculations involving phase changes.
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Two questions:
1.1. Homework Statement
Steam at 100 °C is pumped into an insulating pot containing a mixture of ice and water at 0°C. There are 0.4kg of ice and 1.6kg of water in the pot. Assume there is no heat lost to the surroundings, how much steam (in kg) is needed so that all ice is just melt?

specific heat capacity of water = 4200 Jkg-1°C-1
specific latent heat of fusion/vaporization = 334000/2260000 Jkg-1

1.2. Homework Equations
E = mcΔT
E = ml

1.3. The Attempt at a Solution
Energy released by steam going to 0°C (per kg of steam)
=(2260000 + 4200*100) J kg-1
=2680000 J kg-1
Energy needed to turn 0.4kg of ice into water
=0.4*334000 J
=133600 J
Amount of steam needed
=133600/2680000 kg
=0.0499kg
However, the answer is 0.591kg. What have I done wrong?2.1. Homework Statement
4kg of ice at -10°C is mixed with 0.1kg of water at 10°C. What is the final state of the mixture? What is the final temperature of the mixture?
specific heat capacity of ice = 2100 Jkg-1°C-12.2. Homework Equations
Same as above2.3. The Attempt at a Solution
Energy required to freeze the water
=0.1*10*4200+334000*0.1 J
=37600 J
4(T+10)\times 2100 = 0.1(-T)\times 2100 + 37600
T=-5.39
So final state is solid and final temperature is -5.39°C. Answer says that final temperature is 0°C. What have I done wrong?
 
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Hi dalcde! :smile:

For question (1) you have unnecessarily considered the heat being used to raise the temperature of water. The heat from the steam will only be used to change the state of ice.For question (2), you need to use the fact that the amount of heat lost by the ice will be equal to the gain in heat by water to change its state, before there is any change in its temperature.
 
Infinitum said:
Hi dalcde! :smile:

For question (1) you have unnecessarily considered the heat being used to raise the temperature of water. The heat from the steam will only be used to change the state of ice.
Where did I consider the heat used to raise the temperature? I've only considered the energy released by cooling the steam to 0°C.

Infinitum said:
For question (2), you need to use the fact that the amount of heat lost by the ice will be equal to the gain in heat by water to change its state, before there is any change in its temperature.

What do you mean? The specific heat capacity of ice and water are different, so they have to be separated in one way. In the equation, the left hand side is energy gained by the ice, and the right hand side is the energy lost by the thing that was originally water.
 
I misunderstood your solutions. After solving it, I get the same answers.

The given answer for the first question is obviously wrong, though. 0.591 kg steam is way too much to melt 0.4 kg ice.
 
Infinitum said:
I misunderstood your solutions. After solving it, I get the same answers.

The given answer for the first question is obviously wrong, though. 0.591 kg steam is way too much to melt 0.4 kg ice.

Sorry, it was 0.0591kg (still wrong anyways). I'll edit it.

EDIT: Oh! Somehow I can't.
 
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