Modeling of pendulum with external horizontal force

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The dynamic equation of a pendulum is modified when subjected to a constant horizontal wind force, resulting in the equation theta'' + (k/m)*theta' + (g/l)*sin(theta) - (w/m)*cos(theta) = 0. The term (w/m)*cos(theta) incorporates the length of the string, l, because it relates to the pendulum's dynamics and ensures dimensional consistency with the gravitational term (g/l)*sin(theta). The discussion emphasizes that only the normal component of forces contributes to the pendulum's motion, while radial components do not affect the torque. It is suggested to analyze the problem using polar coordinates for a clearer understanding of the dynamics involved. Dimensional analysis is also highlighted as a crucial step in verifying the correctness of the equations of motion.
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In general, I know that the dynamic equation of pendulum is

theta'' + (k/m)*thata' + (g/l)*sin(theta) = 0

, where k=friction co, m=mass, l=length of string, g=gravity.

But if the pendulum is placed in a constant draft, the equation has to be changed.

Assuming that the pendulum is suspended in a constant horizontal wind,

imparting a constant force w on the bob, the equation is

theta'' + (k/m)*thata' + (g/l)*sin(theta) - (w/m)*cos(theta)= 0

I cannot understand the term of (w/m)*cos(theta). If I rewrite the eq,

m*l*theta'' + (k*l*theta') + (m*g*sin(theta)) - (w*l*cos(theta)) = 0
( inertia )------(friction)--------( gravity )---------( what ?? )

My question is why the length of string, ' l ' affects the external force term.

In my oppinion, external force term is just ( w * cos(theta) ), but the answer is not :(.

Please somebody help me ...
 
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For a cursory look at the problem, if one has (g/l)*sin(theta), then the term (w/m)*cos(theta) should include length to get (w/ml)*cos(theta), so that both have a term of acceleration/length.
 
Using purely Newtonian mechanics, by what means do you get the equation of motion for the angle variable \theta ...?
 
Any force on the pendulum bob can be split into radial and normal components. All the radial term will do is change the tension on the string. Assuming an ideal unbreakable and unstretchable string, the radial component doesn't do anything. The normal term is the sole contributor to the dynamics, and hence the \sin\theta factor for the vertical gravitational force and the \cos\theta factor for the horizontal wind force.

Another way to look at this is as a rotational dynamics problem: work with torques rather than forces. The longitudinal components of forces don't contribute to the torque.

BTW, Astronuc is right. The wind contribution is w/ml, not just w/m. Its a good idea to do a quick dimensional analysis to ensure that the equations of motion are dimensionally correct. Dimensional correctness doesn't mean the EOM are correct, but if the dimensions are wrong the EOM most certainly are wrong.
 
dextercioby said:
Using purely Newtonian mechanics, by what means do you get the equation of motion for the angle variable \theta ...?

By working in polar coordinates. There is nothing in Newtonian mechanics that restricts their use to cartesian coordinates.
 
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