Modern Algebra - Finite Subgroups of Q*

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The discussion revolves around identifying all finite subgroups of Q* (the set of all non-zero rational numbers) under multiplication. The original poster is exploring the properties that these subgroups must satisfy, including closure, identity, and inverses.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to identify subgroups, mentioning Q+ and powers of 6, while questioning whether these are finite subgroups. Other participants clarify that the subgroups mentioned are not finite and raise the question of whether {-1, 1} qualifies as a finite subgroup.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the requirements for finite subgroups and correcting misunderstandings about the properties of the groups being considered. Hints have been provided regarding the implications of including elements and their inverses, suggesting a productive direction for further exploration.

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There is a noted frustration from the original poster regarding the clarity of the problem, indicating a potential gap in understanding the definitions and properties of finite subgroups in this context.

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Homework Statement


Find all the subgroups of Q* (set of all non-zero rational #s) under multiplication. Explain how you know that Q* has no other finite subgroups.

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The subgroups must satisfy the properties of association, closure, inverse, and identity.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have determined that Q+ under multiplication is a subgroup (and is not cyclic) but is this the only one? Would I also include multiples? For example, 6^n where n is an integer under multiplication. How do I know there are no other finite subgroups?
 
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Neither of the subgroups you've found so far is a finite subgroup. I assume you want to find finite subgroups?
 
You are right. I do want finite subgroups of Q* and neither of the two I mentioned are as such. Thank you for pointing this out. Of course, now I am even more frustrated and unclear as to how to pursue the solution.
 
ESLASL1 said:
You are right. I do want finite subgroups of Q* and neither of the two I mentioned are as such. Thank you for pointing this out. Of course, now I am even more frustrated and unclear as to how to pursue the solution.

Is {-1,1} a finite subgroup?
 
Hint: If a group contains an element x, then it must contain all powers of x.
 
ESLASL1 said:
For example, 6^n where n is an integer under multiplication
You forgot about inverses. You may want to consider this question in terms of generating sets, it will probably be easier.
 
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JonF said:
You forgot about inverses.

The inverse of 6^(n) is 6^(-n). I think if n is an integer, -n is also an integer.
 
I read natural for some reason, you are right.
 

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