Modifying Coulomb's Law for Use in Particle Energy (chemistry)

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the modified form of Coulomb's Law used in chemistry to predict the energy released when bonds form, specifically transitioning from the original force equation to the energy equation. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification relevant to high school-level understanding.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how the original form of Coulomb's Law, F=kQ1Q2/D^2, is derived into the modified form E=kQ1Q2/r used for energy calculations.
  • Another participant explains that energy is derived from force through the integral of Force*dx, noting the presence of a negative sign in the energy equation E=-kQ1Q2/r.
  • A subsequent post discusses the relationship between energy and force, stating dE/dx=-kQ1Q2/d^2, and seeks clarification on how to transition to the modified energy form.
  • Another participant provides a differential equation dE/dr=(kQ1Q2)r^-2 and discusses the integration process, leading to the expression E=kQ1Q2(-1)r^(-1).
  • A later post expresses confusion about the origin of the differential equation and the value k=-2, requesting a more thorough explanation suitable for a high school level.

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Participants are engaged in a collaborative exploration of the mathematical steps involved in the derivation, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the initial differential equation or the reasoning behind certain values used in the derivation.

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Limitations include the participants' varying levels of mathematical understanding and the need for more detailed explanations of certain steps in the derivation process.

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This discussion may be useful for high school students studying chemistry and physics, particularly those interested in the mathematical foundations of energy calculations in bonding scenarios.

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New to PF.

How is the "original" form of coulomb's law F=kQ1Q2/D^2 derived into the modified chemistry form used to predict the energy released when bonds form (or the inverse), E=kQ1Q2/r?

Please describe your mathematical steps. Feel free to just post links explaining this. I've searched everywhere...I'm only a high school student, trying to write a book but do not have the greatest resources.

Thanks in Advance
 
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E equals the integral of Force*dx. So that's how you get from force to energy (and vica versa). There's actually a minus sign E=-kQ1Q2/r. There's also a constant of integration but we conventionally say the two particles have zero potential energy when they are infinite distance apart.
 
Okay, now that the relationship between E and F is established, I can say that
dE/dx=-kQ1Q2/d^2. Bu from here, how do I get to the modified form, where r is the denominator.
 
dE/dr=(kQ1Q2)r^-2. No minus sign here. We'll ignore the denominator and just say r is raised to the negative two power.

The general form, when df/dr=r^k has solution f(r)=(1/(k+1))r^(k+1).

Ok. So we plug in k=-2 and get (-1)r^(-1). So restoring the constants E=kQ1Q2(-1)r^(-1).
 
Ok. I understand how you integrated from dF/dr=r^k to find a solution, but how the heck did you get that differential to begin with? Also, I don't understand where did the k=-2 come from?

Keep in mind, I'm only in high school and my highest level of math education is AP calc AB (which is calc I and half of calc II) so you probably have to be more thorough then when you're usually talking to mathemeticians, physicists, etc.

Thanks
 

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