Momentum,impulse, force question

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving momentum and impulse in the context of an elastic collision between two bumper cars. The original poster describes the scenario with specific masses and velocities before and after the collision, seeking clarification on how to calculate the change in momentum for each car and the average force involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the change in momentum for both cars and questions whether to consider the whole system or just one car. Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and the implications of changes in individual car momentum.

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Some participants have provided insights into the conservation of momentum and energy in elastic collisions, while others are exploring how to calculate impulse and the relevant forces. There is an ongoing inquiry into the specifics of calculating change in momentum and the appropriate values to use.

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The original poster mentions a contact time of 2 seconds and expresses a desire for simplicity in the calculations, indicating a potential constraint in their understanding or experience level.

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Hi,

i have a question iv been working on for 4 hours and I am soo confused.

My example is a bumper car in a elastic collision.

bumper car A travels at 3ms-1 east with a mass of 180kg
Bumper car B travels at 4ms-1 west witha mass of 200kgs.
the momentum before the collision is 1340kgms-1..this will be equal to momentum after the collision.

Car A travels at 1.5ms-1 after the collision int he opposite direction west
while Car B travels at 5.35ms-1 to the east.

what i need help with is change in momentum.

what is the change in momentum for both cars.

Δmomentum= F* T ( how am i supposed to get the average force for both cars)
the contact time was 2 secs but what is the change in momentum?

i don't get if its change in momentum for the whole system or just 1 car?

please help me out..

feel free to substitue any values for F or T etc..keep it simple as well (im only 16)

Thank you
 
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If there is no other force acting on cars A and B during the collision, then the total momentum of the A&B system does not change. This is "conservation of momentum". What may and usually does change is the momentum of each car.
 
hi thanks for that.
yes momentum for car a and b does change..
so can i get change in momentum for car A?
will it be final momentum (270Kgms-1 to west) - Inital momentum ( 540kgms-1 to the east)
 
what i don't get is how to calculate impulse when both Bumper car A and b collide...?
what force do i use?
what change in momentum do i use?
I know the Time?Thank you
 
In a fully elastic collision you have conservation of momentum and you have conservation of energy. Together they are a system of two equations for two unknowns that you then solve. Let ## m_A ## and ## m_B ## be the masses of the cars, and ## v_{iA}, \ v_{iB}, \ v_{fA}, \ v_{fB} ## be their initial and final velocities. Conservation of momentum: $$ m_A v_{iA} + m_B v_{iB} = m_A v_{fA} + m_B v_{fB} $$ Conservation of energy: $$ \frac {m_A v_{iA}^2} {2} + \frac {m_B v_{iB}^2} {2} = \frac {m_A v_{fA}^2} {2} + \frac {m_B v_{fB}^2} {2} $$
 

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