Momentum per unit area per unit time in EM

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Griffiths regarding an infinite parallel plate capacitor, specifically focusing on the stress tensor and momentum per unit area per unit time in electromagnetic contexts. Participants explore the implications of the stress tensor and its components in relation to the forces acting on the capacitor plates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the stress tensor elements and their implications for the force per unit area on the capacitor plates. There is a focus on interpreting the equations provided in Griffiths, particularly regarding the momentum transferred to surfaces and the divergence of the stress tensor.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their interpretations of relevant equations and questioning how to apply them to find the momentum per unit area per unit time. Some participants express confidence in their understanding of parts (a) and (b), while part (c) remains a focal point for exploration and clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of applying the divergence of a tensor, as well as the specific equations referenced from Griffiths that guide their reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in interpreting the momentum density and its relation to the stress tensor.

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Homework Statement


In fact it is problem 8.5 in Griffiths 3rd ed p357

Consider an infinite parallel plate capacitor with the lower plate carrying the charger density - \sigma, and the upper plate carrying the charge density + \sigma.
(a) Determine all nine elements of the stress tensor, in the region between the plates. Display your answer as a 3x3 matrix
(b)Use Eq 8.22,\overrightarrow F = \oint\limits_S {T \cdot d\overrightarrow a } for \overrightarrow S = 0, to determine the force per unit area on the top plate.
(c) What is the momentum per unit area, per unit time, crossing the xy plane?
(d) Find the recoil force per unit area on the top plate.


Homework Equations


Maxwell's Stress Tensor
\overrightarrow F = \oint\limits_S {T \cdot d\overrightarrow a } - {\varepsilon _0}{{\bar \mu }_0}\frac{d}{{dt}}\int {Sd\tau }

Momentum density
{\wp _{em}} = {\varepsilon _0}{\mu _0}\overrightarrow S

\frac{d}{{dt}}({\wp _{em}} + {\wp _{mech}}) = \nabla \cdot T



The Attempt at a Solution


Part (a) and (b) are easy for me.

(a) {T_{xy}} = {T_{xz}} = {T_{yz}} = ... = 0 and by using some equations we can find {T_{xx}},{T_{yy}}{\rm{ and }}{T_{zz}}
So the answer is T = \frac{{{\sigma ^2}}}{{2{\varepsilon _0}}}\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> { - 1}&amp;0&amp;0\\<br /> 0&amp;{ - 1}&amp;0\\<br /> 0&amp;0&amp;1<br /> \end{array}} \right)
(b) is also easy, use that equation provided we can find the answer \overrightarrow f = \frac{{{\sigma ^2}}}{{2{\varepsilon _0}}}\widehat z

The problem is (c)
I think the equation \frac{d}{{dt}}({\wp _{em}} + {\wp _{mech}}) = \nabla \cdot T is useful to solve it with {\wp _{mech}}=0
However on the right hand side we have \nabla \cdot T. The div of a tensor would be? I learned only the div over a vector, but not a tensor.
 
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athrun200 said:
The problem is (c)
I think the equation \frac{d}{{dt}}({\wp _{em}} + {\wp _{mech}}) = \nabla \cdot T is useful to solve it with {\wp _{mech}}=0

I think a more relevant equation for part (c) is equation 8.28. Note how Griffiths interprets the last term of this equation (just below equation 8.29). So, how can you interpret ##\int_S \overleftrightarrow{T} \cdot d\vec{a}## over a surface S in terms of momentum?
 
TSny said:
I think a more relevant equation for part (c) is equation 8.28. Note how Griffiths interprets the last term of this equation (just below equation 8.29). So, how can you interpret ##\int_S \overleftrightarrow{T} \cdot d\vec{a}## over a surface S in terms of momentum?

##\int_S \overleftrightarrow{T} \cdot d\vec{a}## is the momentum transferred to the surface per unit time

So \overset\leftrightarrow T is the momentum transferred to the surface per unit time, per unit area, thus it is the answer?

The momentum per unit area, per unit time perpendicular to xy is \overset\leftrightarrow {{T_{zz}}} which is \frac{{{\sigma ^2}}}{{2{\varepsilon _0}}}
While \overset\leftrightarrow {{T_{xx}}} = \overset\leftrightarrow {{T_{yy}}} = - \frac{{{\sigma ^2}}}{{2{\varepsilon _0}}} is the momentum per area, per time parallel to the surface?
 
athrun200 said:
##\int_S \overleftrightarrow{T} \cdot d\vec{a}## is the momentum transferred to the surface per unit time

So \overset\leftrightarrow T is the momentum transferred to the surface per unit time, per unit area, thus it is the answer?

The momentum per unit area, per unit time perpendicular to xy is \overset\leftrightarrow {{T_{zz}}} which is \frac{{{\sigma ^2}}}{{2{\varepsilon _0}}}
Yes.

While \overset\leftrightarrow {{T_{xx}}} = \overset\leftrightarrow {{T_{yy}}} = - \frac{{{\sigma ^2}}}{{2{\varepsilon _0}}} is the momentum per area, per time parallel to the surface?

Well, ##T_{xx}## is the x-component of momentum per unit area per unit time crossing a surface oriented perpendicular to the x axis. Similarly for ##T_{yy}##.
 
Thanks a lot!
 

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