Momentum: Solving Qs on Man Throwing Rocks in Lake

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving momentum, where a 100-kg man throws two rocks of 25 kg and 15 kg to propel himself across a frozen lake. The correct final speeds after throwing both rocks simultaneously, the heavier rock first, and the lighter rock first are 5.71 m/s, 6.18 m/s, and 6.14 m/s, respectively. The initial calculations provided by participants miscalculated the man's effective mass during the sequential throws, leading to incorrect results. The key takeaway is that the man's mass changes as he throws each rock, impacting the final velocity calculations.

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Homework Statement


A powerful, 100-kg man is kneeling in the middle of a frozen lake, holding two large rocks. One rock has a mass of 25 kg, and the other a mass of 15 kg. The man wants to quickly get to the south edge of the lake, and he knows that he needs to throw his rocks to the north to propel himself there. He always throws each rock away from himself at 20 m/s.

What will be his final speed if he
a) throws both rocks simultaneously?
b) throws the heavy rock and then the lighter rock?
c) throws the lighter rock and then the heavy rock?

Homework Equations


m\Deltav_{initial} = m\Deltav_{final}

The Attempt at a Solution



(a)

m_{man}v = (m_{rock1}+m_{rock2})v_{rock}

100v = (20+15)20
v = 8 m/s

(b)

mv = m_{rock1}v_{rock}
100v = 25*20
v = 5

mv_{final}-(m+m_{rock2})v_{initial} = m_{rock2}v
100v_{final}-(100+15)*5 = 15*20
v_{final} = 8.75 m/s

(c) I get the same answer as (b), using the same methods, which is quite weird.

The correct answers are 5.71 m/s for (a), 6.18 m/s for (b), and 6.14 m/s for (c). I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong for each part...
 
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Your solution for a) is correct. In solution for b) when the heavier rock is thrown the man is still holding the other rock. So his net weight will be 115 kg. The second rock is thrown with a speed of 20 m/s relative to the man, in the direction opposite to in which the man is moving after throwing the first rock. Its speed relative to the ground will be (20 - speed of the man after throwing the first rock) in the opposite direction. Solve on the above basis. Answers given appear to be incorrect.
 

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