Monotonic increasing or monotonic decreasing

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Homework Statement


1. Determine whether the sequence {an} = n+(1/n) is monotonic increasing or monotonic decreasing.


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I plugged in some digits and got this
a1=2
a2=5/2=2.5
a3=10/3=3.3333333
a4=17/4=4.25
a5=26/5=5.2
I drew the coclusion that it is monotonic increasing. Is that right?
 
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You need to show that an+1 >= an for all n >= some number M. You can't just use the values of a few elements of the sequence.
 


Mark44 said:
n >= some number M

What is M? How do I find it?
 


Try calculating an+1 - an
 


Ki-nana18 said:
What is M? How do I find it?
You get to say what it is.
 


n+1+(1/n+1)>= n+(1/n) @n=3
4.25>3.33333

Since an+1 is greater that an the sequence is monotonic increasing.:confused:
 


No, that won't do. It's true that n + 1 is always > n (assuming n >0), but 1/(n + 1) < 1/n. If each expression on the left side was larger that the corresponding expression on the right side, then I would buy it.

How do you know that for n = 37, or 503, or whatever, that n + 1 + 1/(n + 1) isn't less than n + 1/n?
 


Thank you for all your help. But I am completely lost. But I'll try one more question. Do I solve an+1>= an, for n?
 
  • #10


Ok, so tons of algebra. Thank you for all your help. :smile:
 
  • #11


It's hardly "tons of algebra." Unless you think three of so lines constitutes "tons."

Presumably you're in a calculus class if you're asking questions about sequences, so it's reasonble to assume that you have mastered algebra to some extent.
 
  • #12


Is this right:
n+1+1/(n+1)≥n+(1/n)
(n+1)^2/(n+1)≥((n^2+1))/n
n(n+1)≥ ((n^2+1))/n (n)
n^2+n≥n^2+1
n≥1
 
  • #13


Ki-nana18 said:
Is this right:
n+1+1/(n+1)≥n+(1/n)
(n+1)^2/(n+1)≥((n^2+1))/n
There's a mistake in the line above, on the left side.
Ki-nana18 said:
n(n+1)≥ ((n^2+1))/n (n)
How does the line above follow from the line above it?
Ki-nana18 said:
n^2+n≥n^2+1
n≥1

Another way you can do this is to show that n + 1 + 1/(n + 1) - (n + 1/n) ≥ 0 for all n ≥ M, where you specify what M is.
 
  • #14


Ok I did an+1-an>=0 and I got (n2+3n+1)/(n(n+1))>=0. I'm not sure what to do now. I can't cancel any "n" out b/c its all addition. What do I do now?
 
  • #15


n + 1 + 1/(n + 1) - n - 1/n
= 1 + 1/(n + 1) - 1/n
= ?

Leave the first 1 as-is.
 
  • #16


So it equals (2n+1)/(n2+n)>=-1?
 
  • #17


***Leave the first 1 as-is.***

Just rewrite 1 + 1/(n + 1) - 1/n as an expression it is equal to. I don't want to see any inequality sign yet.
 
  • #18


(n^2+3n+1)/(n(n+1))?
 
  • #19


DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE FIRST 1!

1 + 1/(n + 1) - 1/n = 1 + ?
 
  • #20


1+(1/(n(n+1))? sorry. :cry:
 
  • #21


You have an incorrect sign. Can you find it? There are only two showing.
 
  • #22


1-(1/(n(n+1)))?
 
  • #23


YES!

So here is where we are.
an + 1 - an
= n + 1 + 1/(n + 1) - [n + 1/n]
= 1 + 1/(n+1) - 1/n
= 1 - 1/(n(n + 1))

1/(n(n+1) is at most 1/2, when n = 1. For all other value of n, 1/(n(n + 1)) < 1/2. This is pretty obvious, so probably doesn't need to be proved.

So we're subtracting a positive number that is at most 1/2 from 1. What does that say about the sign of 1 - 1/(n(n + 1))? What does that say about the sign of an + 1 - an? What does that say about the sequence?
 
  • #24


What does that say about the sign of 1 - 1/(n(n + 1))?
The sign would be positive.
What does that say about the sign of an + 1 - an?
The sign would be positive.
What does that say about the sequence?
This sequence is monotonic increasing.
 
  • #25


Good. I especially liked it that you were assertive, and didn't add question marks.
 
  • #26


Thank you so much for all your help! I do have a tendency of second guessing myself when it comes to math. I will be eternally grateful to you. :smile:
 

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