Music Mystery: 2(Vsound) for the 2nd Harmonic?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a guitar player and the Doppler effect. The player must move at a speed that would cause the observer to confuse the fundamental frequency with the second harmonic. The initial calculations suggest a speed of 171.5 m/s, which is half the speed of sound, contradicting the provided answer of 2(Vsound). Participants agree that the stated answer is likely a typo, as moving at twice the speed of sound would not allow the observer to hear the player approach. The conversation concludes with confirmation of the calculations and acknowledgment of the hypothetical nature of the problem.
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Homework Statement


A guitar player is plucking a strong of length 30cm. How fast must the player move towards or away from the stationary observer, in order for the observer to mistake the fundamental frequency for the second harmonic?

ANSWER: 2(Vsound) towards the observer

Homework Equations


Frequency for string fixed on both ends: f = 2n/vL
Doppler effect for source moving towards stationary observer (observer will hear higher frequency):
f" = vsound / vsound - Vsource

The Attempt at a Solution


f = 2n/vL = 2(1) / 343(0.3) = 205.8 Hz for the fundamental frequency --> set as f in the doppler equation
f = 2(2) / 343(0.3) = 411.5Hz for the second harmonic --> set as f" in the doppler equation

411.6 = 343 (205.8) / (343-vsound)
Vsound = 171.5 m/s = 1/2 vsound

I am getting 1/2 the speed of sound, rather than 2x the speed of sound which is the answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
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vetgirl1990 said:
I am getting 1/2 the speed of sound, rather than 2x the speed of sound which is the answer. What am I doing wrong?
Twice the speed of sound is clearly nonsense. The observer would not hear the player approach. Must be a typo.
Your answer looks right.
 
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haruspex said:
Twice the speed of sound is clearly nonsense. The observer would not hear the player approach. Must be a typo.
Your answer looks right.

LOL thank you! My initial reaction to the "answer" was that it was an extremely hypothetical situation. Thanks for verifying!
 
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