Need help factoring in two variables

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The discussion revolves around finding relative minima and maxima for the function f(x,y) = x^4 + y^4 - 36xy, focusing on the critical points derived from partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss setting the partial derivatives equal to zero to find critical points, with attempts to express one variable in terms of the other. Questions arise about the next steps after obtaining a redundant equation.

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Some participants offer guidance on solving the system of equations derived from the partial derivatives, suggesting alternative methods for finding critical points. There is an ongoing exploration of algebraic manipulation without a clear consensus on the next steps.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, focusing on the mathematical process without providing direct solutions. There is an indication of confusion regarding the manipulation of equations and the identification of critical points.

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Homework Statement



Trying to find relative min/max

Homework Equations



f(x,y)=X^4+y^4-36xy


The Attempt at a Solution



partial WRT(x) = 4x^3-36y
partial WRT(y) = 4y^3-36x

Set Partial WRT(x) = 0

4x^3-36y=0
4x^3=36y
x=(9y)^1/3

plug x into Partial

4[(9y)^1/3]^3-36y=0
36y-36y=0

Im not sure what to do now to find the critical points?
 
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Let ∂f/∂x=0 and ∂f/∂y=0.

From your original post, you have

∂f/∂x = 4x3-36y = 4(x3-9y) = 0
∂f/∂y = 4y3-36x = 4(y3-9x) = 0

Now all you have left to do is to find all points that satisfy both equations. Two equations. Two unknowns. Algebra holds the answer. o_O
 
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Dannbr said:

Homework Statement



Trying to find relative min/max

Homework Equations



f(x,y)=X^4+y^4-36xy


The Attempt at a Solution



partial WRT(x) = 4x^3-36y
partial WRT(y) = 4y^3-36x

Set Partial WRT(x) = 0

4x^3-36y=0
4x^3=36y
x=(9y)^1/3

plug x into Partial

4[(9y)^1/3]^3-36y=0
36y-36y=0

Im not sure what to do now to find the critical points?

You just plugged your solution for WRT(x) back into the equation WRT(x). You aren't going to get anything out of that. Try solving the WRT(x) equation for y and putting that into the WRT(y) equation. You'll get an equation of high degree, but it's pretty easy to say what the possible real roots are.
 
Thanks for help
 

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