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Need help on Proofs!

  1. Sep 30, 2003 #1
    Hi, I got some problems with the homework that I was assigned last week. I really got some problems to even start doing it....it's too difficult that I don't even know how to start it...the professor asked us to proof some laws...of sequencing limits when I don't even understand anything....I've discussed the problem with lots of classmates but non of them know how to do them either....please help me PROOF these problems><" thanxz in advance!
    PROOF:
    #1 Limit Law: lim (anbn) = (lim an ) (lim bn)
    n->infinity n->infinity n->infinity


    #2 an = (-1)^n (1,-1,1,-1,1,-1....) when n=0,1,2,3.... Proof that it diverges
    THANKS A LOT IF YOU COULD HELP ME!@@"
     
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  3. Sep 30, 2003 #2
    I think this is an exercise in 'epsilontics'.
    Meaning, you use the standard definition of a limes:

    a = lim(n->[oo])an

    if and oly if

    for each epsilon > 0
    there exists n0, so that
    |an - a| < epsilon
    for each n > n0.
     
  4. Sep 30, 2003 #3
    yeah, I saw my professor writing something like thaht on the board, but I have no idea how and what that is@@"...could you help me doing the problem further?? please!?!??
     
  5. Sep 30, 2003 #4
    I've really never learned that...please help me
     
  6. Sep 30, 2003 #5
    You just saw it? And didn't take notes?

    OK, as for #1:
    You want to show that |anbn - ab|
    goes to zero, OK?
    Here's a trick: Let's insert - abn + abn (which is zero):
    |anbn - ab|
    = |anbn - abn + abn- ab|
    = |(an - a)bn + (bn - b)a|

    since (an - a) and (bn - b) go to zero, the whole expression goes to zero. It's a matter of writing it down properly.
     
  7. Sep 30, 2003 #6
    oh...ok, thanxz a lot arcnets...actually I did take notes...but the problem is that the professor just went through the whole thing whithout saying much about it...anyways...thank you!
    uhmmm...do you have any clue on how to proof number two by chance? Anybody!?@@"
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2003
  8. Sep 30, 2003 #7
    the first problem looks something like this:
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    does anyone know how to proof it@@? please?! I desperately wanna know it...thanxz
     
  9. Sep 30, 2003 #8
    PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
     
  10. Oct 1, 2003 #9
    1. arcnets already showed you how to do this, why do you keep asking about it?

    2. A sequence converges to a number L if for every &epsilon; > 0 there exists an N such that n > N implies |xn-L|<&epsilon;. Given xk=(-1)k, for any L there exists infinitely many m such that |xm-L| >= 1, so the definition of convergence can't be satisfied satisfied. This prove is a little more slick if you can use the concept of a cauchy sequence which is not a difficult concept.
     
  11. Oct 1, 2003 #10
    thank you grady!
     
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