Need help related to heat, water and aluminium

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The discussion revolves around calculating various properties related to an aluminum plate's heat transfer to water. Key calculations include determining the decrease in surface area of the plate, the percentage change in area due to temperature change, the heat transferred to water, and the mass of the water. The user struggles with finding the coefficients of linear and area expansion, which are essential for these calculations, but is currently obtaining zero values. Participants suggest looking up the necessary coefficients in a table to proceed with the calculations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of proper formulas and coefficients in thermal expansion problems.
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I need help at identifying what forumala's to use to calculate the following

(Density of Aluminium 2770kg/m^3
An aluminium plate has a mass of 5kg and a surface area of 2m^2. The temperature of the plate is 450°C. The plate is immersed in a container of water of which the temperature rises from 20°C to 80°C. Only 70% of the heat energy given off by the plate is transferred to the water
Calculate
- Decrease in surface area of plate after being immersed in water
- percentage change in area due to temperature change
- heat transferred to water
- mass of the water

I have been going through the examples in the book and i just don't see how I will work it out. It seems I need a coefficient of linear expansion and coefficient of area expansion
but I just get 0 both times.

need to be pointed in the right direction to solve the problem as in formulas that would need to be used.


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Hi Sl1ver! :smile:
Sl1ver said:
I have been going through the examples in the book and i just don't see how I will work it out. It seems I need a coefficient of linear expansion and coefficient of area expansion
but I just get 0 both times.

mmm :confused:

show us your full calculations, and then we'll see what went wrong, and we'll know how to help! :smile:
 
coefficient of area = A1 -A2/A1(t2-t1)
=2m^2-2m^2/2m^2(80°C-20°)
=0/120
=0

and coefficient of linear expansion
using a as i can't find the proper symbol

2a = B
b=2/a
and then end up with zero as well.

so I can't see how zero and zero will help me
 
Sl1ver said:
It seems I need a coefficient of linear expansion and coefficient of area expansion

ah, yes …

i think you'll need to look those up in a table :smile:
 
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