Need some info about light heat amplified by lens

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of light heat amplification by lenses, particularly focusing on how different lens shapes and materials influence this effect. Participants explore the underlying principles, mathematical details, and experimental considerations related to the ability of magnifying glasses to start fires.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the effect of a magnifying glass in starting a fire depends on the shape and material of the lens.
  • It is proposed that the lens focuses the energy density of light from a large area into a smaller area, leading to higher temperatures and the potential for fire.
  • Concerns are raised about the transparency of the lens material, as heating the lens itself could reduce its effectiveness.
  • Participants question whether lens parameters such as refractive index, form, and thickness affect the quantity of energy that exits through the lens.
  • There is a suggestion that a thicker, more highly curved lens may lead to a closer focal distance but could also dissipate more energy through heating unless it is perfectly transparent, which is debated as being practically unattainable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the influence of lens parameters on energy concentration and heat production. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of different lens characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about lens materials and their properties are not fully explored, and there are unresolved questions about the mathematical relationships involved in the phenomenon.

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It is known that a magnifing glass can start a fire, but I don't fully understand the phenomenon and I have the next questions:
- Does the effect depend on the shape and the material of the lens you use?
- Where can I find some details about heat produced by light or particulary on this phenomenon? (details that contain math support, of course)
 
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It works by focusing the energy density of light over a large area into a much smaller area.
More energy density = higher temperature = fire.

The material that the lens is made of needs to be a transparent as possible since we don't want to heat up the lens itself.
The shape of the lens determines the focal distance - that is the distance from the lens at which the light will be maximally concentrated.
 
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rootone said:
It works by focusing the energy density of a large area into a much smaller area.
More energy density = higher temperature = fire.
But does the lens parameters (refractive index, form, thickness) affect the quantity of energy that exits through the lens? I would try to study it experimentaly, but outside is snowing.
 
I edited my original reply to cover some of this, but to extend further ..
the shape of the lens and properties of the material mainly affect the focal distance.
A thicker more highly curved lens will result in a closer focal distance, but then more of the incoming energy will become dissipated by heating the thicker material - unless it is 100% transparent, and I don't think that such a material exists.
 
rootone said:
I edited my original reply to cover some of this, but to extend further ..
the shape of the lens and properties of the material mainly affect the focal distance.
A thicker more highly curved lens will result in a closer focal distance, but then more of the incoming energy will become dissipated by heating the thicker material - unless it is 100% transparent, and I don't think that such a material exists.
Thanks, it is more clear now. I will try to study the math involved.
 

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