Negative or positive in rolling?

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of a rolling cylinder with a rope coiled around it, focusing on the relationship between the accelerations of the rope and the cylinder. The participants explore the equations governing the motion, particularly the role of angular acceleration (R(alpha)) and how it relates to linear acceleration. There is confusion regarding the signs in the equations, especially when considering clockwise rotation as negative and the direction of movement. The need for clarity in the equations is emphasized, particularly in distinguishing between the accelerations of the rope and the cylinder. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of analyzing rolling motion and the importance of correctly applying the principles of dynamics.
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When, let's say, a cylinder is rolling on a plane, and there is a rope coiled around the cylinder and the rope moves at an acceleration of A(rope) at the upper part of the cylinder to the right.
Ok, so when I try to envision it, the cylinder is rolling in the CW direction.
so R(alpha)= - A(cylinder). When the acceleration of the cylinder is relative to the ground.
but then I need to look at the spring too, right?
so since the cylinder is STILL moving in CW direction, the equation for that should be
R(alpha)= - (A(cylinder) - A(rope))
But in questions I tired to solve they took it as positive.
Am I overlooking sth?
 
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You have a cylinder and rope and then suddenly a spring?

What's R(alpha)?

Do you have a diagram? Either I'm missing something or this is a rather confusing description.
 
lets say to inorder for sth to roll you need to have the equation V=wR
so when you derive it, it goes a=alpha x R.
here is the diagram, there are no springs here.
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4328/setuppp.jpg
 
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For the center of mass of the cylinder a = -alpha x R. Assuming the cylinder is rolling and not slipping, the string acclerates at twice that speed. This is assuming that alpha being clockwise is a negative number, and assuming you want left to right movement to be considered as positive.
 
ok, so let me get this straight.
because the movement if from left to right, then does the equation necessarily imply
a(rope) - a (cylinder)= -r x alpha.
the negative sign again here because the cylinder rolls in CW direction.
I mean, do I always get to do, the positive acceleration - which in this case is the rope- minus the other one?
 
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