Negative sequence currents in an alternator

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of negative sequence impedance in an unloaded alternator, specifically focusing on the experimental setup involving a star-connected alternator with a line-to-line fault. Participants seek to understand how this configuration generates negative sequence currents and the implications for the direction of the magnetic field's rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment measuring negative sequence impedance by shorting Y and B phases while leaving R phase open, questioning how this setup generates negative sequence currents.
  • Another participant references the method of symmetrical components, suggesting it simplifies the analysis of unbalanced three-phase systems and may aid in understanding the situation.
  • A participant mentions measuring open circuit voltage VRY and short circuit current IYB to determine negative sequence impedance, seeking clarification on how this ratio is derived.
  • One response emphasizes the definition of impedance as the ratio of voltage to current, suggesting further study of symmetrical components to clarify which impedance is being measured.
  • A repeated inquiry from the first post reiterates the need for assistance in understanding the generation of negative sequence currents and the reversal of the magnetic field's direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the generation of negative sequence currents and the implications of their experimental setup. There is no consensus on the specific mechanisms at play or the interpretation of the measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for a deeper understanding of symmetrical components and the implications of line-to-line faults, indicating potential gaps in knowledge or assumptions that may affect the discussion.

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We recently performed one experiment regarding measurement of negative sequence impedance of an alternator(unloaded) in our lab session. The alternator was star connected and we shorted Y and B phases together, leaving R phase open(an L-L fault). How does this arrangement generate negative sequence currents? How is the direction of rotation of magnetic field reversed? Please help. Many thanks in advance!
 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetrical_components

In electrical engineering, the method of symmetrical components is used to simplify analysis of unbalanced three-phase power systems under both normal and abnormal conditions. The basic idea is that an asymmetrical set of Nphasors can be expressed as a linear combination of N symmetrical sets of phasors by means of a complexlinear transformation.[1] In the most common case of three-phase system, the resulting "symmetrical" components are referred to as direct (or positive), inverse (or negative) and zero (or homopolar). The analysis of power system is much simpler in the domain of symmetrical components, because the resulting equations are mutually linearly independent if the circuit itself is balanced.
 
We measured the open circuit voltage VRY and short circuit current IYB. The ratio VRY/IYB is the negative sequence impedance. How?
 
Well, the very definition of impedance is the ratio of voltage to current. The only question is which impedance it is it?

I suggest that you study symmetrical components enough to solve the homework problem of making an equivalent circuit for a L-L fault. Once you have that, it should be obvious which impedance you are measuring.
 
cnh1995 said:
We recently performed one experiment regarding measurement of negative sequence impedance of an alternator(unloaded) in our lab session. The alternator was star connected and we shorted Y and B phases together, leaving R phase open(an L-L fault). How does this arrangement generate negative sequence currents? How is the direction of rotation of magnetic field reversed? Please help. Many thanks in advance!
You should be able to plug and chug, but I'm not able to use a program to give me a quick and dirty answer, and I don't have time to do the calculation by hand.

See if this can shed any light onto your problem...
https://cdn.selinc.com//assets/Literature/Publications/White%20Papers/LWP0010-01_TutorialSymmetrical-Pt1_AR_20130422.pdf?v=20150812-081134
 

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