Net force on a particle with potential energy function

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The discussion revolves around determining the x-component of the net force on a particle moving along the x-axis, given a specific potential energy function U(x) = 1/x + x² + x - 1. Participants are exploring the relationship between potential energy and force, particularly at the coordinate x = 3.29 m.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct method to derive the net force from the potential energy function, with one participant initially calculating the first derivative but questioning the result. There is also a mention of the importance of the negative sign in the relationship between force and potential energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with some participants recognizing the significance of the negative sign in the force equation, leading to a correct calculation of the net force. However, there remains a lack of explicit consensus on the initial approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. The discussion reflects a common misunderstanding regarding the relationship between derivatives and integrals in the context of potential energy and force.

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Homework Statement



A particle is moving along the x-axis subject to the potential energy function U(x) = 1/x + x2 + x - 1. Determine the x-component of the net force on the particle at the coordinate x= 3.29m.

Homework Equations



U(x) = integral(F(x)dx)

The Attempt at a Solution



To find the net force I took one derivative of the potential energy equation. The resulting (-1/x2) + 2x +1. I then plugged in 3.29 for x and it resulted in 7.487. Which is not the correct answer. Now my though is that if i take the second derivative of the potential energy function and then plug in my value of x=3.29 m, then that would be correct. But I am really not sure.
 
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Koscher said:

Homework Statement



A particle is moving along the x-axis subject to the potential energy function U(x) = 1/x + x2 + x - 1. Determine the x-component of the net force on the particle at the coordinate x= 3.29m.

Homework Equations



U(x) = integral(F(x)dx)

Actually, the definition of the potential energy function for this 1D case isU(x) = -\int F(x)\,dxThe negative sign is important. As a result, F(x) = - \frac{dU}{dx} A motivation for this definition is so that the force points in the direction of maximum decrease in potential energy, which, if you think about it, is consistent with examples of conservative forces that you may have encountered already, such as gravity.

Koscher said:

The Attempt at a Solution



To find the net force I took one derivative of the potential energy equation. The resulting (-1/x2) + 2x +1. I then plugged in 3.29 for x and it resulted in 7.487. Which is not the correct answer. Now my though is that if i take the second derivative of the potential energy function and then plug in my value of x=3.29 m, then that would be correct. But I am really not sure.

No. If potential energy is the negative integral of force, then force is the negative derivative of potential energy, since integration and differentiation are inverse operations. So, basically, taking the second derivative makes no sense at all.
 
Thank you. I completely forgot the negative sign on the equation. When i took it into account I got the correct answer. Thank you.
 
Koscher said:
Thank you. I completely forgot the negative sign on the equation. When i took it into account I got the correct answer. Thank you.

No problem, you're welcome. :smile:
 

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