Newton's Laws; ramps and pulleys

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving Newton's laws, specifically focusing on a system with ramps and pulleys. The original poster attempts to determine the mass of an object on a ramp while it accelerates downwards, assuming a frictionless environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of free body diagrams to analyze forces acting on the masses involved. The original poster describes their attempts to align axes and calculate tension in the rope, while others inquire about the direction of gravitational forces and suggest writing equations based on net forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is progressing with participants providing guidance on creating free body diagrams and formulating equations. The original poster has made progress in their understanding and has shared their calculations, while others have acknowledged the method without calculating values themselves.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the setup of the problem and the application of gravitational forces on the ramps. They express frustration with their understanding of physics, which may influence their confidence in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6315/diagramyk1.gif
-Assuming the system is frictionless, find m2 when it is accelerating down the ramp at 3.4 m/s2.

Homework Equations


-... F = ma?

The Attempt at a Solution


-In this problem, I tried tilting the axis so the sliding-down part aligned with the y-axis and the m1 part on the x-axis. Then, I thought of using the components to the Fw, to figure out the Tension on the rope for the m2 side (which, I guessed, to be m2a.).
I couldn't figure out what to make the Tension equal to, because m2gcos([tex]\theta[/tex]) wasn't coming out the same as 3.4*m2.

...I then realized I was quite retarded at physics (I'm being perfectly honest, now.) and needed help.
 
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did you make the free body diagram?
 
oh, sorry! I forgot to attach it... >_<;;;

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3359/diagram2im0.gif

I suppose what confuses me is the fact that they're on ramps; I don't know how/where to draw the gravity part.

(apologies if this is frustrating for you. I'm just really bad at physics.)
 
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nooooooooooo
this is what a free body diagram for such a situation looks like.
now make the other one. write the appropriate equation ie. Fnet = m*a.
eliminate T from both the equations. you have "a", find "m" and show us what you got. ok??
 

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The weight acts at the centre of gravity (mass) of the block.
 
i guess OP is asking the direction of gravitational force andrevdh
 
(well, my retardation may have reached a new low.)

I figured out how to do the free-body diagram right this time, and got:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5139/diagramca9.gif

[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fx = m2gsin[tex]\alpha[/tex] - T = m2a.
and
[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fx = T- m1gsin[tex]\beta[/tex] = m1a.

so if I solve for T it would be m1a + m1gsin[tex]\beta[/tex], and substitute that into the first equation to figure out m2a.

with grouping like terms, plugging in numbers, solving, &c, I got 11.0 kg.

...would that be right?

(and a big thank you for the help!)
 
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i didnt calculate the values, but the method you described, answer should be alright.
 

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