Nitrogen Valences in Heme Molecule: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the structure of the heme molecule, particularly focusing on the arrangement and valence electrons of the nitrogen atoms and the central iron atom. The heme group is identified as a porphyrin molecule, with four nitrogen atoms coordinating to an iron atom. A specific inquiry is made about the top right nitrogen, which appears to have only four valence electrons, raising questions about resonance and the movement of double bonds within the carbon rings. Additionally, the role of iron's valence electrons is questioned, particularly why they do not participate in coordinate bonds and whether they exist as lone pairs. The conversation emphasizes the need to understand bonding theory to accurately describe the geometry of the heme group, including bond angles and resonance structures. It also highlights the complexities of transition metal complexes, suggesting that predicting geometries through traditional valence bond theory may not always be effective.
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Hey everyone

I am confused as to the structure of a heme molecule. A picture of it is shown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Heme.png

I understand the heme group is largely a porphyrin molecule. The 4 Nitrogens are coordinate-covalently bound to the central Iron atom. The top-left Nitrogen in the diagram checks out. It has 5 valence electrons (3 bonded to the two carbons and 2 in the coordinate bond)

However, my question is : what about the top right Nitrogen? It seems to only have 4 valence electrons.

Does this have to do with the resonance of the carbon rings and how the double bonds can move around? Any help would be appreciated!

Also, Where are the valence electrons of the Iron since it doesent contribute to the coordinate bonds? Are they just lone pairs then?

Anton
 
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Just to add, the purpose of this question is to understand the shape of the heme group molecule using bonding theory...I have to write about all th ebond angles and such...whew...so I guess I need to understand any resonant structures and lone pairs, etc...
 
Alright, so let's start off with the question of whether this is a transition metal complex or a covalent structure.

From here on you can rationalize the questions you have asked e.g. in transition metal complexes, which orbitals hold the valence electrons for iron?

Also, consider the formal charges, and yes you'll need to consider resonance, the electron and molecular geometries
 
even in transition metal complexes there are degrees of covalency, but predicting their geometries through valence bond theory simply will not work, in most cases.
 
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