No width contraction in Michelson Morley Experiment, why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the implications of the Michelson-Morley experiment regarding length and width contraction, particularly questioning the necessity and existence of width contraction in the context of the experiment's outcomes. Participants explore theoretical explanations, including Lorentz's proposals and the interpretation of motion in different dimensions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Harald notes that Lorentz proposed length contraction as an explanation for the Michelson-Morley experiment's negative outcome and inquires whether he also proposed time dilation.
  • Some participants suggest that length contraction is still relevant to the experiment's explanation, particularly when considering different frames of reference.
  • Harald specifically questions the concept of width contraction and whether it is ruled out by the experiment or other experiments.
  • Another participant clarifies that if motion is along the x-axis, width contraction would not occur in the y and z directions, which are orthogonal to the direction of motion.
  • One participant compares the arms of the Michelson-Morley apparatus to "light clocks" and raises the question of why there is no contraction for a "transverse light clock," linking it back to the original inquiry about width contraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Michelson-Morley experiment regarding width contraction, with some asserting that length contraction remains relevant while others focus on the absence of width contraction. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for citations and further exploration of the concepts discussed, indicating potential limitations in the current understanding or definitions of contraction in different dimensions.

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Based on the Michelson Morley experiment, Lorentz proposed already length contraction as an explanation of the negative outcome of the experiment.

a) Did he also propose time dilation?
b) How is width contraction ruled out: is that a necessary conclusion of the Michelson Morley experiment or was this ruled out by some specific other experiment.

Citations would be nice.

Thanks,
Harald.
 
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This is how I understood it:

The length contraction is not ruled out, it is still part of the explanation. If the experiment is observed from space, so that Earth does not seem to be at rest, then the relative velocity of Earth and light beams is not the c (in this frame), and the length contraction must be taken into account to explain the outcome of the experiment.
 
jostpuur said:
This is how I understood it:

The length contraction is not ruled out, it is still part of the explanation.

That's what I said. I was asking about width contraction.

Harald.
 
birulami said:
That's what I said. I was asking about width contraction.

Harald.

If "motion is along the x-axis", are you referring to the absence of contraction in the "y" and the "z" directions?
 
robphy said:
If "motion is along the x-axis", are you referring to the absence of contraction in the "y" and the "z" directions?

Well, yes:approve:, anything orthogonal to the direction of motion.

Harald.
 
Essentially, one can regard each arm of the Michelson-Morley apparatus as a "light clock". So, your question is the same as asking why there is no contraction for a "transverse light clock".

Take a look at https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=997598 .
 

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