Are there other non-integrable functions besides x^x?

  • Thread starter Thread starter mahesh_2961
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Functions
AI Thread Summary
The function x^x does not have an indefinite integral expressible in elementary functions, necessitating numerical methods for definite integrals. Many functions, particularly elliptic integrals and those of the form √P(x) where P(x) is a polynomial of degree three or higher, also lack elementary antiderivatives. The term "nonelementary function" is used to describe these integrals, although a precise definition remains elusive. When faced with such functions, numerical analysis or series expansions may provide alternative solutions. Resources like Abramowitz & Stegun and Gradsteyn & Rytzhik can be useful for exploring these types of integrals.
mahesh_2961
Messages
20
Reaction score
0
hai
i heard that the function x^x doesn't have any indefinite integral and hence one can't find definite integral by normal methods .. So one has to go for numerical methods , i haven't tried this ...
just curious to know if there exist more fuctions in the same class ...

regards
mahesh :smile:
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Well, the integral "exists" of course, but it's not the expressible in elementary functions.

There are many such integrals of this nature.
 
Thanx wolfe, can u tell me where i can find such functions

Mahesh
 
DeadWolfe said:
Well, the integral "exists" of course, but it's not the expressible in elementary functions.

There are many such integrals of this nature.

Yap,just about elliptic integrals.Basically most of the type \sqrt{P(x)},where P(x) is a polynomial with real coeffcients of degree larger of equal with 3,get the "chance" of not having a "cute" antiderivative.Mathematicians invented the famous syntagma "nonelementary function",referring to this sort of functions which come up when searching for antiderivatives.They couldn't come up with a decent definition for this "nonelementary". :-p

Anyway,when you spot something wrong,i.e.u can't find an antiderivative,try for other tools.Numerical analysis works,but only in the case on definite integral,where the result is a number.Sometimes,u can expand the integrand in Taylor series (though the ray may be small) or express it terms on tabulated "nonelementary functions".The books by Abramowitz & Stegun and Gradsteyn & Rytzhik may turn out to be handy.

Daniel.

PS.If the antiderivatives exist,but cannot be expressed in terms of "elementary" functions,then the function which makes up the integrand is integrable.
 
Last edited:
Thread 'Video on imaginary numbers and some queries'
Hi, I was watching the following video. I found some points confusing. Could you please help me to understand the gaps? Thanks, in advance! Question 1: Around 4:22, the video says the following. So for those mathematicians, negative numbers didn't exist. You could subtract, that is find the difference between two positive quantities, but you couldn't have a negative answer or negative coefficients. Mathematicians were so averse to negative numbers that there was no single quadratic...
Insights auto threads is broken atm, so I'm manually creating these for new Insight articles. In Dirac’s Principles of Quantum Mechanics published in 1930 he introduced a “convenient notation” he referred to as a “delta function” which he treated as a continuum analog to the discrete Kronecker delta. The Kronecker delta is simply the indexed components of the identity operator in matrix algebra Source: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/what-exactly-is-diracs-delta-function/ by...
Thread 'Unit Circle Double Angle Derivations'
Here I made a terrible mistake of assuming this to be an equilateral triangle and set 2sinx=1 => x=pi/6. Although this did derive the double angle formulas it also led into a terrible mess trying to find all the combinations of sides. I must have been tired and just assumed 6x=180 and 2sinx=1. By that time, I was so mindset that I nearly scolded a person for even saying 90-x. I wonder if this is a case of biased observation that seeks to dis credit me like Jesus of Nazareth since in reality...
Back
Top