Nonlinear second order differential equation

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The discussion revolves around a second-order differential equation given by y''(x)+(2/x)y'(x)+(w^2)y(x)=0. Participants are exploring methods to solve this equation, which is identified as linear with variable coefficients, despite initial confusion regarding its classification as nonlinear.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster considers using substitution v=y' but is uncertain about its application. Some participants suggest multiplying by x to explore the Cauchy-Euler type, while others clarify that this does not apply due to the equation's structure. There are mentions of trying reduction of order and power series methods, with varying degrees of success and understanding.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights and clarifications about the nature of the equation and potential methods for solving it. There is a recognition of the need for a more suitable approach, such as Frobenius' method, due to the presence of a regular singular point at x=0. Multiple interpretations and methods are being explored without a clear consensus on the best path forward.

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There is a discussion about the implications of the term "1/x" in the equation, which leads to considerations of singular points and the applicability of various solution methods. The original poster expresses difficulty in finding relevant examples in textbooks or online resources.

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I am having a problem finding the solution for this eq:

y''(x)+(2/x)y'(x)+(w^2)y(x)=0

I couldn't find examples in the textbook that goes on a similar line, and have been searching the internet as well, but no use. I am thinking of using substitution v=y' but not sure how to do that in the presence of y??

any help would be much appreciated!

 
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Is w a constant? You could always multiple by x and you would have a Cauchy-Euler type.
 
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Yes w is a constant! thank you VERY much Dustinsfl! I am now reading about the Cauchy-euler equations and how to solve them!

very appreciated! :)
 
ahh, just checked the cauchy-euler equation, and from what i understood it does not apply in this case! as the x is in the denominator and only in the second term!
 
mumaga said:
ahh, just checked the cauchy-euler equation, and from what i understood it does not apply in this case! as the x is in the denominator and only in the second term!

Multiple by x.
 
I did, but substituting for trial solutions does not deal to cancelling x, for example y=x^m, you will have x left,,
 
May be you can try reduction of order.
 
tried that, no implicit solution,,,
 
I should point out that this is NOT a "non-linear" equation. It is a linear equation with variable coefficients. The standard method for such equations is to use a "power series"

I would start by multiplying both sides by x, as Dustinsfl suggested, but that does NOT give a "Cauchy Euler equation", we get, rather, [itex]xy''+ 2y'+ \omega^2 xy= 0[/itex]. That is not a "Cauchy-Euler equation" because the coefficient of y'' is x, not x2. We could get that by multipling both sides by x2 but then the coefficient of y is [itex]x^2[/itex] also.

Because that "1/x" is undefined at 0, and, after multipying by x the coefficient of y'' is 0 at x= 0, x= 0 is a "regular singular point" and should use "Frobenius' method" rather than a regular power seties. That is, we look for a solution of the form [itex]y= \sum_{n= 0}^\infty a_nx^{n+ c}[/itex] where "c" is not necessarily a positive integer (not necessariy an integer).

Differentiating term by term, [itex]y'= \sum_{n=0}^\infty(c+n)a_nx^{n+c- 1}[/itex] and [itex]y''= \sum_{n=0}^\infty(n+c)(n+ c- 1)a_nx^{n+ c- 2}[/itex]
Putting those into the equation, we have
[itex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty (n+c)(n+c-1)a_nx^{n+ c- 1}+ \sum_{n=0}^\infty 2(n+ c)x^{n+ c- 1}+ \sum_{n=0}^\infty \omega^2 a_n x^{n+c+ 1}[/itex].

The lowest power will occur when n= 0 which would give power [itex]x^{c- 1}[/itex] in the first and second terms, [itex]x^{c+1}[/itex] for the last term. That is, the lowest power wil be [itex]x^{c- 1}[/itex] and its coefficient will be [itex]c(c-1)a_0+ 2ca_0= (c(c- 1)+ 2c)a_0= (c^2+ c)a_0= 0[/itex]. . We could choose values of c so that the first, "i" terms were 0 but, in order to be specific we we choose so that the very first term, [itex]a_0[/itex] is NOT 0. In order for that to be true we must have [itex]c^2+ c= 0[/itex]. This is called the "indicial equation". Obviously c= 0 and c= -1 satisfy this.

Putting c= 0 and then c= -1 into the equations for the coefficients leads to recursive equations for [itex]a_n[/itex]. Does any of that sound familiar to you?
 

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