Normal and shear stress distribution due to shear force and bending

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of normal and shear stress distributions due to shear force and bending moments in beams, specifically in the context of a homework problem. Participants explore various aspects of the problem, including the effects of bending moments at angles, shear stress distribution, and the calculation of section properties.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to handle bending moments acting at an angle and seeks guidance on decomposing these moments into horizontal and vertical components.
  • Another participant points out a discrepancy in the given shear force values, noting that the problem states a different value than what is shown in the diagram.
  • A participant challenges the calculation of the first moment of area (Q), indicating that the method used was incorrect and that Q should be calculated with respect to the neutral axis of the entire cross-section.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their understanding of the shear stress distribution, suggesting that it should be zero at the top and bottom of the beam, but questions the behavior of the shear stress after the neutral axis.
  • Another participant provides a tabular method for calculating section properties, which they find helpful for the problem at hand.
  • There are multiple mentions of unit conversion errors and misunderstandings regarding the proper units for moments and shear forces.
  • One participant suggests that the focus should be on finding points of maximum combined stresses rather than points where stresses are zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the calculations and interpretations of the problems, with some agreeing on the need for correct unit conversions and methods for calculating Q, while others remain uncertain about the shear stress distribution and the effects of bending moments at angles. Overall, the discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved on several technical points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the definitions of shear force and bending moments, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in calculating shear stress distributions and section properties.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for exams in structural engineering or mechanics, particularly those dealing with shear and bending stress calculations in beams.

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Hi guys, I have a repeat exam in 10 days and I have a couple of things which I would appreciate if you would help me with.

I have attached the mock exam and my attempt at question 2. I will describe where I have issues below.

Homework Statement



For the FIRST question, I have the equation: Sigmaz= N/A + MxY/Ix - MyX/Iy.

I understand how to proceed with the question if the bending moment were to point at one direction (x or y axis), but when it is at an angle I get confused and I'm unable to proceed. Can anyone lead me to the right directions with this?

For the SECOND question, I have attached a file of my attempt at it. I understand that the units are messy, but I believe everything is correct, until the I get stuck at calculating the shear stress distribution below the Neutral Axis. I believe the diagram should curve back down and go back to zero at ''GH'', but when sum all the areas ABOVE 'GH' I do not go back to zero and the diagram does not look right. Can anyone help me proceed after this?

I am yet to attempt the THIRD question.


The Attempt at a Solution



Attempt of question 2 is attached.



Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks.
 

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1. You are given a bending moment magnitude and told that it acts at angle β to the horizontal axis. Decompose the bending moment into its horizontal and vertical components, just like it was a force. You will have a bending moment acting about the horizontal axis and another moment acting about the vertical axis. For the stress at a particular point, use the appropriate bending stress formula for each bending moment component. Don't forget to add the two bending stresses together after these calculations (both stresses will be normal to the cross section, but may act in different directions depending on location w.r.t. the N.A. of the beam and the direction of the moment.
 
2. This problem is tricky because the diagram shows Vy = 400 kN, but the question text asks to calculate the shear stress distribution if Vy = 300 kN.
 
2. Your calculation of the Q values is incorrect. Q is the FIRST moment of area of the cross-section above the shear plane, w.r.t. the N.A. of the whole cross-section of the beam. I don't know where you got Q = A * x^2 from, and the units (cm^2 * cm^2) certainly are not cm^3.
 
Thank you StreamKing. I will will split the moment into vertical and bending moments and attempt the question and will post it hear if I get stuck.

In question 2, I just recalled that my lecturer made a mistake when writing out the problem. The Vy is 400Kn not 300. Also, I realized I made a mistake when calculating Q. Q= Sum of AY above the point, not AY^2... I guess I got a little confused when solving the problem.
 
So I've attached my attempts at questions 1 and 2.

At the first question, I've found the vertical and horizontal components (Mx, My) and put them into the equation and the answer is what I got on the bottom of the attached page, in terms of X and Y. If I put x=0, y will also be zero and vice-versa.
I've tried using values of x=1, then I get y... and then y=1, then I get x. Then I draw the x,y reference where the neutral axis is the origin. I then get a slope, draw a line across the two points and I guess that is where the normal will be equal to zero, but I'm not sure how to finish the question and I have no clue if what I'm doing is right.

At the second question, I've redone it and you will see where my issue is at the end.
I believe that the shear should be equal to zero at the top and bottom of the beam, but after the neutral axis, the Q value will increase and so and so will the shear stress along the beam, rather than go back down.
As far as I know, Q is the sum of the areas x distance from center of the individual part to the whole beam, above a certain point.

Any help please?

Thanks
 

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On p. 3 of your calculations, the bottom shear stress distribution is the correct one. The shear stress is zero at the top an bottom flanges of the beam. The shear stress jumps where the flanges connect to the web, and the shear stress is a maximum at the N.A. In calculating Q, you always start at the outermost fiber and work back toward the N.A. and stop there.
 
On p. 1 you have made a bonehead mistake: 500 kNm = 500,000 Nm, not 50,000 Nm

Also, at the bottom of the page, your moment units are indicated as 'kNm' when clearly they should be 'Nm'
 
SteamKing said:
On p. 1 you have made a bonehead mistake: 500 kNm = 500,000 Nm, not 50,000 Nm

Also, at the bottom of the page, your moment units are indicated as 'kNm' when clearly they should be 'Nm'

500kNm= 50,000 kNcm (kiloNewton CENTImeters). Not the most used units but I guess they are still correct.
 
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It would help you to use a tabular form to calculate section properties:

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Section properties for Problem 2:

Note:  measurements in cm

Item     A   y-bar   A*y    A*y^2        I

U-Flg   20   9.00   180.0   1620        6.667
Web      7   4.50    31.5    141.75    28.583
L-Flg   10   0.50     5.0      2.50     1.667
----------------------------------------------
Total   37   5.85   216.5   1764.25    36.917

INA = 1764.25 + 36.917 - 216.5^2/37 = 534.35 cm^4

[Note:  A*y^2 = (ƩA*y)^2 / ƩA]

y-bar = 5.85 cm abv. bottom of btm. flg.


Qcd = 20*(9-5.85) = 63 cm^3
 
  • #11
In problem 1, shouldn't you be looking for points where the combined stresses are a maximum and not zero?
 
  • #12
Thanks steamking, the tabular form is a helpful technique!

I have paid a person on fiverr do to the questions for me in detail, he will hopefully do it tomorrow, so I guess I'm done here.

Thanks for the support :)
 

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