Normal Force Exerted: Min. Req'd for 63kg Climber

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The problem involves a 63 kg climber supported in a chimney by friction forces from his shoes and back against vertical walls. The static coefficients of friction are given, and the goal is to determine the minimum normal force required, assuming maximum friction forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply force balance equations to find the normal force, using the coefficients of friction and gravitational force. They express uncertainty about their diagram and calculations.
  • Some participants question the setup of the forces, suggesting that the climber should only have one gravitational force acting on him, and recommend combining the equations for clarity.
  • Others suggest that the climber's weight should be considered as a single force acting downward, and encourage the use of the sum of forces equals zero approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem more effectively. There is a focus on clarifying the representation of forces and the equations needed to solve for the normal force. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the diagram and the representation of forces, particularly the gravitational force and its impact on the calculations. There is also mention of the need to consider the center of mass in a more advanced analysis, though this is not the primary focus of the current discussion.

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Homework Statement


The 63 kg climber in Fig. 4-52 is supported in the "chimney" by the friction forces exerted on his shoes and back. The static coefficients of friction between his shoes and the wall, and between his back and the wall, are 0.83 and 0.55, respectively. What is the minimum normal force he must exert? Assume the walls are vertical and that friction forces are both at a maximum.

The actual picture is of a man holding on to a rope with his back press against a right wall and his feet against a left wall.

Homework Equations


[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fy=ma (sum of all forces equals to mass times acceleration, in case my symbols aren't same as the commonly used ones)
Ffr=[tex]\mu[/tex]FN
FG=mg (Gravity force equals mass times gravity)

The Attempt at a Solution


http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6979/fbdyu9.jpg

The diagram that I thought that could be it,though I doubt it.

For 0.83:
[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fy=ma
Ffr - FG = (63)(0)
[tex]\mu[/tex]FN - mg = 0
[tex]\mu[/tex]FN = mg
FN = mg/[tex]\mu[/tex]
FN = ((63)(9.8))/(0.83)
FN = 744N

For 0.55
[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fy=ma
Ffr - FG = (63)(0)
[tex]\mu[/tex]FN - mg = 0
[tex]\mu[/tex]FN = mg
FN = mg/[tex]\mu[/tex]
FN = ((63)(9.8))/(0.55)
FN = 1123N

With these two numbers, I added for 1866.4N (using the two numbers but with more decimal places). I also subtracted 1123 by 744 for 378.7N.

Both ways were wrong.

I lack any confidence that any of this was done correctly. First off, how is the diagram supposed to be? The way my diagram is seems to lack reasoning, unless the two diagrams are combined. Since I am not sure if my diagram is right, I doubt my net equation is right either. Could some one help my understand how the correct diagram is?
 
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Your diagram is pretty good - the same normal force on both sides, the two friction forces upward. But you should only have ONE force of gravity downward. Combine the diagram or at least the equations so you have only one sum of forces equaling zero. You will be able to factor out the FN and solve for it.
 
I don't really understand what one force of gravity would mean. The way I understand that to be is that one of my side is left alone and the other one has 0 for Fg but that would result that whole side to equal zero (FN = ((63)(0))/(0.55) = 0) so I must be misunderstanding this.

Another thing is that is am I supposed to do a [tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fx=ma?
 
The thing is the guy has only one force of gravity acting on him. One weight. If you want to get really sophisticated, that force would be at his center of mass and there might be a problem of one end of him falling while the other is secure. But don't worry about that!

Yes, use sum of forces equals ma which equals zero. You'll have mg down and the two friction forces up. Solve for Fn.
 

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