Norton Equivalent Circuit: Find i(sc) and R(t)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the short-circuit current (isc) and Thévenin resistance (Rt) in a Norton equivalent circuit. Participants are engaged in a homework-related problem involving circuit analysis using mesh current analysis and voltage division.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their equations derived from mesh current analysis to find isc and Rt, noting a discrepancy between their calculated isc (1.46A) and the book's value (1.13A).
  • Another participant clarifies that ia is the net current through a specific resistor, suggesting a misunderstanding in the initial approach.
  • A later reply provides updated values for ia (0.94A) and isc (1.13A), while expressing difficulty with calculating Rt, which they find to be 7.01Ω compared to the book's 7.57Ω.
  • Participants discuss the implications of open circuit conditions on ia, indicating that it will change and affect the calculations.
  • Expressions of gratitude for assistance are shared among participants, indicating a collaborative atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct values for isc and Rt, as discrepancies remain between their calculations and the book's answers. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and interpretations of the circuit analysis.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of currents and the impact of circuit conditions on the calculations. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the circuit analysis methods employed.

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Homework Statement



The (b) circuit shown in the attached image is the Norton equivalent circuit of the (a) circuit. Find the value of the short-circuit current, isc, and Thévenin resistance, Rt.

isc being the current that would flow through the two open nodes if they were shorted.

The Attempt at a Solution



Right now I'm stuck on the current. I used mesh current analysis to find the current. Here are my equations.

KVLa: -10v + 3ia - 2ia + 6(ia - isc) = 0

KVLsc: 6(isc - ia) + 5isc = 0

I reduced and ordered the equations as follows:

KVLa: 7ia - 6isc = 10
KVLsc: -6ia + 11isc = 0

Which I solved as:

ia = 2.68A
isc = 1.46A

However the book has the isc equaling 1.13A

Where have I messed up?
 

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ia is the net current through the 6Ω resistor, not the mesh current in the first mesh.
 
Perfect!

i1 = 2.08
ia = 0.94
isc = 1.13

I wish I wasn't struggling with the second part but I am so any help there would be much appreciated as well.

So with ia being 0.94, that means that the dependent voltage source is 1.88. add that to the other voltage source in series and you get 11.88 volts.

To get the Voc you would do voltage divide: 11.88v*(6Ω/(6Ω+3Ω)) which gives you a Voc of 7.92v

Divide that by the isc should give you the Rt. Which for me came out to be 7.01Ω but the book says that it is 7.57Ω.

Any suggestions?
 
On open circuit, ia will no longer be 0.94A will it? There's a new loop current.
 
That's it! Thank you so much for your responses!
 
TheCarl said:
That's it! Thank you so much for your responses!
We're just happy to be able to help!
 

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