Optics-Lenses - image outside the mirror?

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The discussion revolves around the formation of images by a convex lens and a plane mirror, particularly focusing on how images can be created both inside the mirror and outside in midair. Participants explore the concepts of virtual and real images in the context of optics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how an object inside a mirror can create an image outside the mirror.
  • Another participant explains that the first image formed is a virtual image created by the refraction of light through the convex lens, while a real image is formed by the reflection of light from the plane mirror.
  • A third participant notes that the focal point outside the mirror is where light actually converges, allowing for the visibility of the object, while the image behind the mirror remains virtual.
  • Another participant adds that a real object will have a virtual image behind a mirror, and a real image can be projected in front of the mirror by a lens, emphasizing that this phenomenon is unique to lenses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the nature of images formed by the lens and mirror system. There is no consensus on the clarity of the concepts discussed, as confusion and differing interpretations are evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the interaction of light with lenses and mirrors, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the clarity of definitions for virtual and real images, as well as the assumptions made about the visibility of certain images.

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Optics-Lenses -- image outside the mirror?

A question in my book asks what are the images formed in this diagram:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80147355@N05/7362964734/sizes/m/in/photostream/

I thought there was only one, inside the mirror. But it turns out that there is another one, outside the mirror: http://www.flickr.com/photos/80147355@N05/7362964678/sizes/m/in/photostream/

I don't get it. How can a thing inside a mirror create an image in midair??
 
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Giuliaa said:
A question in my book asks what are the images formed in this diagram:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80147355@N05/7362964734/sizes/m/in/photostream/

I thought there was only one, inside the mirror. But it turns out that there is another one, outside the mirror: http://www.flickr.com/photos/80147355@N05/7362964678/sizes/m/in/photostream/

I don't get it. How can a thing inside a mirror create an image in midair??

You must know that plane mirrors can reflect light (most of) and convex lenses converges the beam to a point (due to refraction). In your diagram , the first image A'B' is formed by refraction of light through convex lens , behind the mirror which is a virtual image . Some of the light energy in the system is also REFLECTED by the plane mirror , shown in diagram by three rays of light which ACTUALLY intersects at a point B'' forming a real image A''B''.

Note that there will be another image i.e. 3rd image (virtual) by first ray and ray AA' but will be so blurred that you'll not be able to see it. Hence its neglected. (Because the resultant energy in the system will be very negligible.)
 
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This article may help in understanding what a virtual image is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_image

The focal point outside the mirror is where the light actual focuses at. Holding a piece of paper or something at that point will let you see the object in view. The image inside or behind the mirror is a virtual image.
 


A real object will have a virtual image behind a mirror (as we all were taught at School). A real image, projected by a lens, that 'would have been formed' behind a mirror (if the mirror hadn't been there) will be formed as a real image in front of the mirror. This is something that can only be done with a lens as you can't, of course, stick an object behind a mirror and expect a result. :smile:
 

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