# Oscillating Spring Graphs

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1. Apr 26, 2015

### MEGHY

How could you graph a potential energy vs. time graph only knowing the position vs. time graph and the velocity vs time graph for a hanging object oscillating up and down on a string?

2. Apr 26, 2015

### robphy

Do you know the elastic potential energy function for a spring?

3. Apr 26, 2015

### MEGHY

No

4. Apr 26, 2015

### Staff: Mentor

5. Apr 26, 2015

### MEGHY

i do know some about this topic, but its a practice free response question for the ap physics 1 exam so i thought there would be a short cut. So the object has spring potential energy and gravitational potential energy so its total potential energy is the sum of both?

6. Apr 26, 2015

### Staff: Mentor

Very much like that. The sum of the energies is zero, as the energies in the different modes trades off with motion. What are the different energies involved in this problem? What is the sum over time?

7. Apr 26, 2015

### MEGHY

The problem asks to sketch the potential energy in the object-spring-Earth system as a function of time. There is kinetic and potential energy. There is two types of potential energy. The only force is the weight. Um, the graph for position vs. time has a maximum of 1m and a minimum of .5m. It looks like a sine graph and it goes up to 2.5 seconds on the x axis. I think to graph the potential vs. time graph you would only need information from the position vs. time graph??? I don't understand how you would find the spring constant because you would need that to find potential energy???

8. Apr 27, 2015

### BvU

Hi Meg, welcome to PF !

If the only force is weight, which I think is pretty constant , then what causes the oscillation ?

So much for the help, now comes the lecture :

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Under "Um," in your post #7, you unveil a lot more info than in your problem statement in post #1. You can extract two very important quantities you will need in your relevant equations to establish the sought-after energies. If you want to make good use of assistance from a bunch of top experts, you really should be a bit more complete in your first post. "Help us help you ", so to say.

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9. Apr 27, 2015

### UncertaintyAjay

If you want to find the spring constant, have a look at the equations you have and note that there are two forces that act on the object, the spring force and its weight. You've got the maximum and minimum position. So can you find amplitude? If you know amplitude can you find the equilibrium position? Have a go. Once you know the equilibrium position, its pretty easy to find the spring constant.