News Palin is probably the nation's leading energy expert - McCain

[Ivan Seeking]

MR. BROKAW: All right, we have a final question, if we can for you. In a recent interview with our affiliate in Portland, Maine, WCSH, John McCain was asked about Governor Palin and her national security credentials. Let's just share with you that exchange, if we can.

(Videotape)

Unidentified Reporter: What experience...

SEN. McCAIN: Sure.

Reporter: ...does she have in the field of national security?

SEN. McCAIN: Energy. She knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America.

(End videotape)

MR. BROKAW: "More about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America." More about solar, more about wind, more about geothermal than the MIT scientists who are working on this initiative? Boone Pickens? Boone Pickens? Senator Al Gore? Do you think she knows more than any of those people do? [continued]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26702299/page/3/

Either McCain will say just about anything, or he is delusional. What more can be said?

 

[LowlyPion]

Either McCain will say just about anything, or he is delusional. What more can be said?

Looks to me like he has sold his soul.

What more can be said?



Wait a minute ... I'll think of something.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

You can watch him actually say this on the netcast of Meet The Press, from this morning.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

Palin has a BA in journalism.

 

[Astronuc]

If McCain said that, he is unfit to be president. I think he has lost his mind.


Palin is unfit for public office, and I hope the FBI launches a corruption investigation. Apparently there is plenty of evidence, and lots of witnesses.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Maybe Palin should drop him from the ticket.

Elections are all about timing a peak to election day. I think McCain has already peaked.

 

[Astronuc]

Palin has a BA in journalism.

I think you initially correct about the BS, which does not mean baccalaureate.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, Alaska is under a bunch of oil... Hey look, I can see Russia from my house.

 

[binzing]

I think McCain has already peaked.

May we hope so!

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Somewhat lost due to shock is the fact this is cited by McCain as her national security credential.

It is also possible that he is not delusional and believes what he says. Which would mean that he is incredibly ignorant. I haven't yet ruled out this possibility. He certainly isn't the brightest bulb in the box.

 

[Cyrus]

Somewhat lost due to shock is the fact this is cited by McCain as her national security credential.

She has also personally shot many terrorist grizzley bears.

 

[Astronuc]

Maybe McCain is sabotaging the GOP ticket! Or he's just totally lost it.


I wonder how many real conservatives will leave the GOP. I've got to imagine people like Hagel are looking at this and wondering what the heck is going on.

Why can't the GOP put Hagel or someone like him up?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Maybe McCain is sabotaging the GOP ticket! Or he's just totally lost it.

More likely I think is that he is getting desperate to defend his inspired choice. It worked as a gimmick, but now it's time to pay the piper.

 

[LowlyPion]

She has also personally shot many terrorist grizzley bears.

I don't think she shoots grizzlies. They can fight back.

I think her hunting is for moose. About as dangerous as shooting a cow.

The bear skin in her office her Dad shot.

 

[LowlyPion]

Why can't the GOP put Hagel or someone like him up?

Apparently because the GOP has been hijacked by the Ralph Reed/Karl Rove extremists that want to use power to spread their brand of moralism, even if it means subverting the Constitution.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Drill, baby, drill!

 

[G01]

I am waiting to see if this week changes anything.

McCain seems to be trying to keep blowing Palin's bubble bigger and bigger everyday to distract everyone from real issues. Eventually the bubble will burst. Maybe this week, or maybe the next. Maybe not until her debate with Biden, but trust me, that bubble will burst.

-Bubble analogy thanks to Chuck Todd at NBC.

 

[BobG]

I don't think she shoots grizzlies. They can fight back.

I think her hunting is for moose. About as dangerous as shooting a cow.

The bear skin in her office her Dad shot.

I also don't think she shoots grizzlies. You usually don't shoot grizzlies, anyway. You shoot your friend in the kneecap. You never want to be the slowest person in the group when you're being chased by a grizzly.

Moose are a little bit http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/moose/story/367277.html .

 

[russ_watters]

Either McCain will say just about anything, or he is delusional. What more can be said?

So no consideration for the third option? The reason Guiliani gave?

I feel the love in here. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling watching you guys getting antsy over the current polling situation. Very enjoyable. Not worthy of remaining an open thread in a serious forum, but entertaining, nonetheless.

 

[edward]

I think you initially correct about the BS, which does not mean baccalaureate.

Thats for sure.

Palin Attended 4 Colleges in 5 Years to Earn Diploma
The Republican vice-presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, had a much more diverse experience in higher education than has been previously reported.

The Associated Press reported this afternoon that Ms. Palin, the first-term governor of Alaska, began her college career at Hawaii Pacific University, where she studied for one semester in the fall of 1982.

From there, she spent two semesters at North Idaho College, a two-year institution; two semesters at the flagship University of Idaho; one semester at Matanuska-Susitna College, a two-year campus of the University of Alaska at Anchorage; and her three final semesters back at the University of Idaho, where she completed her bachelor’s degree in journalism in 1987.

http://chronicle.com/news/article/5092/palin-attended-4-colleges-in-5-years-to-earn-diploma

This was also on MSNBC, so was the fact that she had her first child just eight months after she married. This in itself would be not be a big deal except that the Christian right keeps defending her. The, "she didn't have an abortion" line is only going to go so far.

As for Palin's energy expertise, McCain has either totally flipped or is like Bush and believes his own lies.

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Nu7Kjk_0Q

 

[LowlyPion]

Moose are a little bit http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/moose/story/367277.html .

I see. So the guy was wearing camouflage because he was hiding - to keep from getting stomped to death by a moose?

 

[LowlyPion]

Moose are a little bit http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/moose/story/367277.html .

Speaking of mooses:
http://jalopnik.com/cars/novelties/danger-moose-eats-car-333928.php

They eat cars.

 

[Gokul43201]

So no consideration for the third option? The reason Guiliani gave?

That reason started out holding a wee bit of plausibility but ended up right square in la-la-land.

I think John was referring to elected officials. He, he would not be referring to Boone Pickens and certainly wouldn't be referring to nuclear scientists and people like that.

Palin doesn't even come anywhere near the kind of energy credentials that Republicans like Don Young and Pete Domenici have. There are at least a half dozen Republicans in Congress that know way more than Palin does about energy. And that's just Republicans.

I think he was talking about politicians and probably, in particular, the people involved in the race.

So, "anyone else in the United States of America" = three other people?

I feel the love in here. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling watching you guys getting antsy over the current polling situation. Very enjoyable. Not worthy of remaining an open thread in a serious forum, but entertaining, nonetheless.

PF is a serious forum. So, if this thread is not worthy of PF, it should be locked.

 

[binzing]

I think her hunting is for moose. About as dangerous as shooting a cow.

Ok, for that I personally revoke your right to speak. Moose are VERY dangerous, particularly females.

 

[Cyrus]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26702299/page/3/

Either McCain will say just about anything, or he is delusional. What more can be said?

Just finished watching MTP. Must say, its up there with Charlie Rose. Very good episode.

 

[Math Is Hard]

http://chronicle.com/news/article/5092/palin-attended-4-colleges-in-5-years-to-earn-diploma

"Palin Attended 4 Colleges in 5 Years to Earn Diploma"

What exactly is the insinuation here?

It sounds like she went to school where she could, when she could, and had to work her education around a lot of disruptions. Good for her for finishing.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I feel the love in here. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling watching you guys getting antsy over the current polling situation. Very enjoyable. Not worthy of remaining an open thread in a serious forum, but entertaining, nonetheless.

This is your response to McCains statement? Come on Russ, you have to admit that this must be one of the dumbest thing that a politician has ever said. In fact it goes beyond dumb and rises to such as level that one has to question his sanity.

I do feel warm and fuzzy.

 

[MeJennifer]

They could use a new campaign button, how about this one:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/McCain_Palin.jpg

 

[syano]

So no consideration for the third option? The reason Guiliani gave?

Giuliani inferred that although McCain said “… anyone else in the United Sates” what he actually meant was “… any elected official in the United States”

Isn’t it a more simple explanation to say that McCain exaggerated?

Sort of like when he said Gov. Palin sells planes on Ebay for a a profit or how he strolls the markets of Bagdad with no body armor on or claiming that Obama wants to teach Sex-Ed to kindergartens before teaching them to read?

 

[LowlyPion]

http://chronicle.com/news/article/5092/palin-attended-4-colleges-in-5-years-to-earn-diploma

"Palin Attended 4 Colleges in 5 Years to Earn Diploma"

What exactly is the insinuation here?

It sounds like she went to school where she could, when she could, and had to work her education around a lot of disruptions. Good for her for finishing.

On the one hand, yes that is good that she saw her education through as she could. And while those schools are maybe not as prestigious as big name universities it doesn't mean that she couldn't have gotten a good education.

My curiosity about her academic record is really more directed along the lines of what grades she got in Physics.

 

[LowlyPion]

Ok, for that I personally revoke your right to speak. Moose are VERY dangerous, particularly females.

The females of any species are dangerous.

But we're not talking about lions, or tigers, or bears, ... oh my.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Isn’t it a more simple explanation to say that McCain exaggerated?

To say that Palin is an expert is an exaggeration. To say that she is the nation's foremost expert is an absurdity beyond measure.

This is more fraud than exaggeration. At the least it proves that McCain has ZERO credibility. He will tell any lie needed; no matter how absurd, and regardless of the best interest of the country.

 

[Math Is Hard]

They could use a new campaign button, how about this one:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/McCain_Palin.jpg

omg - that's perfect!

 

[Math Is Hard]

My curiosity about her academic record is really more directed along the lines of what grades she got in Physics.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

PF is a serious forum. So, if this thread is not worthy of PF, it should be locked.

Heh, McCain's statement is a great of example of the sort of sleeze politics that gave us Bush. I can think of nothing more relevant to the election than the lies told to the voters.

Of course, we could just talk about semantics and meaningless campaign promises, and ignore the real issues, like deception, and the irrational thinking exhibited by our war hero.

 

[mheslep]

...
Palin doesn't even come anywhere near the kind of energy credentials that Republicans like Don Young and Pete Domenici have. There are at least a half dozen Republicans in Congress that know way more than Palin does about energy. ...

According to who? Yes Young and Domenici are players as legislators; Young was influential in the original Trans Alaska Pipe, Domenici co authored the 2005 Energy Policy Act. Palin has certainly been in the ground zero locations needed for experience. She was the chair of the Ak Oil and Gas Conservation Commission; was the force behind the approved Ak gas pipeline plan as Governor, which had gone nowhere for years, and now if completed will be the longest single project pipe in the world.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Just finished watching MTP. Must say, its up there with Charlie Rose. Very good episode.

MTP has been the gold standard in political review for as long as I can remember. It has been on for over sixty years.

Check out the list of former guests. On the main page in the left column, go to Browse, "Meet The Press", and then the slide show that looks back at the history of the show.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

 

[turbo]

Energy is a big inclusive word. What does Palin know about wind, tidal generation, hydroelectric power, nuclear, solar, hydrogen technologies, battery technology, energy storage and distribution systems, etc? If helping to push through a compressed natural gas pipeline makes her an energy expert in McCain's eyes, I should be eminently qualified to be Secretary of Agriculture. I do grow most of our own fruits and vegetables, after all.

She [Sarah Palin] knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America.

The old guy has lost it.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

According to who? Yes Young and Domenici are players as legislators; Young was influential in the original Trans Alaska Pipe, Domenici co authored the 2005 Energy Policy Act. Palin has certainly been in the ground zero locations needed for experience. She was the chair of the Ak Oil and Gas Conservation Commission; was the force behind the approved Ak gas pipeline plan as Governor, which had gone nowhere for years, and now if completed will be the longest single project pipe in the world.

Are you seriously attempting to defend McCain's statement? Are you suggesting that Palin is the nations leading energy expert? Or do you admit that McCain was either lying, delusional, or demonstrating extreme ignorance?

 

[LowlyPion]

Are you seriously attempting to defend McCain's statement? Are you suggesting that Palin is the nations leading energy expert? Or do you admit that McCain was either lying, delusional, or demonstrating extreme ignorance?

Presuming that he has figured out what honor is by now, it must be one of the latter two.

 

[LowlyPion]

Energy is a big inclusive word. What does Palin know about wind, tidal generation, hydroelectric power, nuclear, solar, hydrogen technologies, battery technology, energy storage and distribution systems, etc?

They claim to supply 20% of the nation's needs for energy, and yet are only .2 % of the population. They haven't the slightest idea about Energy independence so much as wanting to be a separate country so they can keep energy wealth for themselves.

 

[Gokul43201]

According to who? Yes Young and Domenici are players as legislators; Young was influential in the original Trans Alaska Pipe, Domenici co authored the 2005 Energy Policy Act. Palin has certainly been in the ground zero locations needed for experience. She was the chair of the Ak Oil and Gas Conservation Commission; was the force behind the approved Ak gas pipeline plan as Governor, which had gone nowhere for years, and now if completed will be the longest single project pipe in the world.

Palin was Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission for 1 year.

Domenici has chaired the United States Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources for 4 years and been the ranking member on that committee for many more. Likewise, with the U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Energy and Water Development. And he's been on the Appropriation subcommittee for Science (etc.) for who knows how many years. He has written a book on Nuclear Power and edited a second one, and has earned the epithet "Nuclear Renaissance Man" as arguably the strongest driver of Nuclear energy development in the US Congress. Heck, he is the only American to be awarded the French Nuclear Energy Society’s Grande Medaille de l'Academie des Sciences (their most prestigious recognition). He is one of the strongest supporters of the US National Labs, and has been calling for US energy independence for about a quarter of a century now. He has authored numerous bills on energy, science and technology and water management. He has been instrumental in virtually every major energy bill (including the 2005 Energy Policy Act that he crafted) in the last couple of decades. He is the second most senior Republican in the Senate.

You really think Palin can hold a candle to Domenici on Energy issues? You've got to be kidding!

 

[Gokul43201]

They claim to supply 20% of the nation's needs for energy, and yet are only .2 % of the population.

Palin (and McCain as well) certainly made this claim, and it's way off.

Energetically Wrong
September 12, 2008

Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close.

Summary

Palin claims Alaska "produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy." That's not true.

Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that's a far cry from all the "energy" produced in the U.S.

Alaska's share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

And if by "supply" Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska's production accounted for only 2.4 percent.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html

Now that's what we get from the nation's leading energy expert!

 

[quadraphonics]

He is one of the strongest supporters of the US National Labs,

To be fair, you'd have to look pretty danged hard to find a New Mexico Congressman that isn't a strong supporter of US National Labs.

 

[LowlyPion]

Palin (and McCain as well) certainly made this claim, and it's way off.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html

Now that's what we get from the nation's leading energy expert!

Thanks for the reference. I never checked up on that, which is why I prefaced it as their/her claim. The sad thing is that even though her estimate is exaggerated by nearly a factor of 10, even at only 2.4% her state still enjoys a factor of 10 surplus over its share of the US population.

 

[Gokul43201]

To be fair, you'd have to look pretty danged hard to find a New Mexico Congressman that isn't a strong supporter of US National Labs.

Point taken.

 

[LowlyPion]

The thing that is staggering to me is the lengths they will go to in order to avoid saying that Palin is inexperienced and not knowledgeable about all that much outside of Wasilla.

The attempts to inflate her abilities and experience, to deny her ethical lapses, to hide her religious ideological policy positions, looks like a Marx Brothers comedy.

While I think bringing people to the White House that would be better suited for Jerry Springer throw downs than Meet the Press would be a rich trove of bizarre entertainment opportunities, I'd say the country has a broader responsibility to the world to be a part of solutions, rather than as a contributor to its problems.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Now that's what we get from the nation's leading energy expert!

So she isn't even an energy expert in regards to Alaska.

So that means that she doesn't have any national security credentials...? Wait, I'm confused.

 

[Cyrus]

I can see Russia from my house.

 

[binzing]

Uh, where are you going with that Cyrus?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

She and McCain continually make the false claims that "Obama will raise your taxes", and "I told Congress 'no thanks' to the bridge to nowhere". Now this, the Alaska energy supply "facts", perhaps even troopergate, book banning, etc.

The question is: Can these two swift-boat the truth, or is America now too sophisticated to fall for this again?

How many people actually believe these two, and how many know they are lying and just don't care?