Part b: Solving for Force & Friction to Find θ0 Angle

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The problem involves analyzing the forces acting on a mop being pushed at an angle θ with respect to the vertical. It focuses on determining the force required to move the mop head and identifying a critical angle θ0 below which the mop cannot be moved due to frictional constraints.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angle θ and the coefficients of friction, exploring how these affect the force F needed to move the mop. Some participants suggest using similar methods as in part a) to derive θ0, while others question the implications of certain mathematical conditions, such as when (sinθ - μscosθ) equals zero.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning the assumptions related to the force and angle. There is recognition of the need to clarify the conditions under which the force becomes undefined or infinite, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem as presented, including the coefficients of static and kinetic friction and the assumption regarding the mass of the mop. There is a focus on understanding the physical implications of the mathematical relationships involved.

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A worker pushes on a mop with a force F. The handle is at an angle θ with the vertical and μs and μk are the coefficients of static and kinetic friction between the head of the mop and the floor. Ignore the mass of the handle and assume that all the mop's mass m is in its head.

a) If the mop head moves along the floor with a constant velocity, then what is F?

b) Show that if θ is less than a certain value θ0, then F is unable to move the mop head. Find θ0

i got part a) to be F = μk(mg) / (sinθ - μkcosθ).

but i can't get part b). all i have is Fn(μs) = Fsinθ0 where Fn is the normal force. the book's answer is θ0 = tan-1(μs). how did they get that?
 
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Hi demonelite123! :wink:
demonelite123 said:
b) Show that if θ is less than a certain value θ0, then F is unable to move the mop head. Find θ0

just use the same method as for a) …

you'll have (sinθ - μscosθ) on the bottom, and that has to be … ? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi demonelite123! :wink:


just use the same method as for a) …

you'll have (sinθ - μscosθ) on the bottom, and that has to be … ? :smile:

if (sinθ - μscosθ) is 0, then the force is undefined?
 
demonelite123 said:
if (sinθ - μscosθ) is 0, then the force is undefined?

(just got up :zzz: …)

hmm … this is physics, not maths! …

in maths, things can be undefined, but in physics either they exist or they don't …

in this case, if (sinθ - μscosθ) is 0, then the force would have to be infinite, in other words no force will be able to move the mop. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
(just got up :zzz: …)

hmm … this is physics, not maths! …

in maths, things can be undefined, but in physics either they exist or they don't …

in this case, if (sinθ - μscosθ) is 0, then the force would have to be infinite, in other words no force will be able to move the mop. :wink:


ok now i understand, thanks!
 

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