Partial Derivative of f(x,y) at (0,0)

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivative of the function f(x,y) = 3xy + 5y^3/(x^2 + y^2) at the point (0,0), where the function is defined as 0 at that point. Participants are exploring the implications of continuity and the existence of the derivative at a point of discontinuity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of the partial derivative at (0,0), questioning whether the lack of continuity implies that the derivative does not exist. Others suggest that there are functions with existing partial derivatives at points of discontinuity, prompting a reconsideration of assumptions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of the partial derivative and the need to evaluate limits, but no consensus has been reached on the existence or value of the derivative.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of continuity and differentiability at the point (0,0), and there is a request for clarification on the continuity of the function at that point.

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Homework Statement



The question asks:

f(x,y) = 3xy+5y^3/[x^2+y^2] when (x,y) =! (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 when (x,y) = (0,0)

what is df/dy at (0,0)?



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The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what the answer is. At 0,0 f(x,y) is 0, so it's simply a point and the function is not continuous at the point, therefore df/dy doesn't exist?
 
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Kuma said:

Homework Statement



The question asks:

f(x,y) = 3xy+5y^3/[x^2+y^2] when (x,y) =! (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 when (x,y) = (0,0)

what is df/dy at (0,0)?



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what the answer is. At 0,0 f(x,y) is 0, so it's simply a point and the function is not continuous at the point, therefore df/dy doesn't exist?

There are functions for which all partial derivatives exist at a point of discontinuity, so lack of continuity cannot be relied upon in this question.

RGV
 
So then it must be 0? It's the partial derivative of a point.
 
Kuma said:

Homework Statement



The question asks:

f(x,y) = 3xy+5y^3/[x^2+y^2] when (x,y) =! (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 when (x,y) = (0,0)

what is df/dy at (0,0)?



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what the answer is. At 0,0 f(x,y) is 0, so it's simply a point and the function is not continuous at the point, therefore df/dy doesn't exist?
Can you show that f is not continuous at (0,0) ?
 
Don't get confused by how the function is defined. It doesn't make sense to talk about the "partial derivative of a point." You find the partial derivative of a function at a point.

Go back to the basic definition. You want to find
[tex]\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_{(x_0,y_0)} = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x_0,y_0+h)-f(x_0,y_0)}{h}[/tex]when (x0,y0)=0. You need to find the limit or show it doesn't exist.
 

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