Partial differentiation: prove this general result

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The discussion revolves around the topic of partial differentiation and the transformation of functions between coordinate systems. The original poster seeks to prove a general result regarding the relationship between the differentials of functions expressed in two sets of coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the differentials df and dg, questioning how to equate them given that the components dx, dy, dz, du, dv, and dw represent different variables. There is also a discussion on the assumption that the variables x, y, and z can be expressed as functions of u, v, and w.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the variables involved and the implications of expressing one set of coordinates in terms of another. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to express the differentials in terms of the new coordinates, but no consensus has been reached on the assumptions being made.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of transforming coordinates and the assumptions necessary for such transformations, particularly in the context of expressing x, y, and z as functions of u, v, and w.

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Homework Statement



The function f(x,y,z) may be expressed in new coordinates as g(u,v,w). Prove this general result:

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The Attempt at a Solution



df = (∂f/∂x)dx + (∂f/∂y)dy + (∂f/∂z)dz

dg = (∂g/∂u)du + (∂g/∂v)dv + (∂g/∂w)dw


df = dg since they are the same thing?

but the components dx, dy, dz, du, dv, dw are different so i can't equate them...
 
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unscientific said:

The Attempt at a Solution



df = (∂f/∂x)dx + (∂f/∂y)dy + (∂f/∂z)dz

dg = (∂g/∂u)du + (∂g/∂v)dv + (∂g/∂w)dw


df = dg since they are the same thing?

Yes. Here x, y and z are to be regarded as functions of u, v and w, so you need to work out what dx, dy and dz are in terms of du, dv and dw and substitute those into the equation for df.
 
pasmith said:
Yes. Here x, y and z are to be regarded as functions of u, v and w, so you need to work out what dx, dy and dz are in terms of du, dv and dw and substitute those into the equation for df.

how can we assume that x = x(u,v,w) and y = y(u,v,w) and z = z(u,v,w)?
 
unscientific said:
how can we assume that x = x(u,v,w) and y = y(u,v,w) and z = z(u,v,w)?

Since f(x,y,z) may be expressed in new coordinates as g(u,v,w), it means that the function takes a different form when x, y and z are replaced by u, v and w. For example, the function z(x,y)=x+iy (rectangular) becomes t(r, θ)=r(cosθ+isinθ) (polar) when x is replaced by rcosθ and y is replaced by rsinθ. Thus x and y are both functions of r and θ.
 

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