Particle energy and momentum in different reference frames

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The discussion revolves around a particle's energy and momentum as observed from different reference frames, specifically focusing on the transformation of energy and momentum between these frames. The problem involves calculations related to relativistic physics, particularly using Lorentz transformations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Lorentz transformation equations and the invariant mass relation. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of "total energy" in the context of the problem, with references to different forms of energy equations. Some participants share their calculations and results, noting discrepancies in their findings.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some have successfully calculated certain values, while others express difficulty in achieving consistent results. There is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation of the energy terms or the calculations involved.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic equations and the implications of different definitions of total energy. There is mention of varying results for relative velocities, indicating potential misunderstandings or errors in calculations.

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Homework Statement



A particle is observed in a certain reference frame (i.e. observer A) has a total energy of 5GeV and a momentum of 3GeV/c.
(a) What is the energy of the frame in which its momentum is equal to 4GeV/c.

Homework Equations



[tex]E'={\gamma}E-{\gamma}{\beta}(cp)[/tex]
[tex]cp'=-{\beta}{\gamma}E+{\gamma}(cp)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I plugged in cp'=4GeV, cp=3GeV, and E=5GeV, and solved the second equation for v. Then I plugged in v to the applicable variables in the first equation, and I got 4GeV, but the answer is 5.62GeV. And a different part of the question asks for the relative velocity of the two frames, and for that I get .6 c, as opposed to .19 c.
 
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You might find the invariant m2 = E2-p2 useful.

Also, the Lorentz transformations can be written in terms of the hyperbolic trig functions:

[tex]\begin{align*}<br /> E' &= E\cosh \theta + p\sinh \theta \\<br /> p' &= E\sinh \theta + p\cosh \theta<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

The velocity is then given by [itex]\beta = \tanh \theta[/itex].
 
Is the invariant some other form of the equation

[tex]E^{2}=(cp^{2})+(mc^{2})^{2}[/tex]?
 
Yeah, it's the same equation with c=1.
 
okay, i managed to get the velocity correct, but i still can't manage to get E' to come out correct
 
when the question says "total energy", does it mean E^2=(cp)^2+(mc^2)^2 or does it mean E=ymc^2?
 
Either way should give you the same answer. Show us your calculations so we can spot your error.
 
warfreak131 said:
when the question says "total energy", does it mean E^2=(cp)^2+(mc^2)^2 or does it mean E=ymc^2?

Both E's are the same since

[tex]\sqrt{ (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2} = \gamma m c^2.[/tex]

I was actually able to get E' to work out, but found [tex]\beta = 0.92 c[/tex] which disagrees with the relative velocity you quoted.
 
I got β=0.186, so you should be able to get it to work out.
 
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vela said:
I got β=0.186, so you should be able to get it to work out.

i managed to get that for beta as well. but when i plug it into the transformation equations to find E', it doesn't come out to be correct
 

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