Particle undergoes a displacement

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The discussion revolves around the displacement of a particle represented by the vector equation \(\vec{r} = x\vec{i} + y\vec{j} + z\vec{k}\) and the implications of taking the limit as \(\Delta t\) approaches zero. It clarifies that while \(\vec{v} \Delta t\) approaches zero, the vector \(\vec{v}\) itself, defined as the limit of \(\Delta \vec{r}/\Delta t\), is tangent to the particle's trajectory. Additionally, when analyzing the expression \(\vec{r} = A(e^{\alpha t}\vec{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vec{j})\), it is noted that as \(t\) approaches infinity, the second term becomes negligible, leading to the conclusion that \(\vec{r}\) approximates \(Ae^{\alpha t}\vec{i}\) and approaches infinity. The conversation emphasizes understanding asymptotic behavior rather than just limits at infinity for sketching trajectories. The key takeaway is the importance of focusing on dominant terms in vector expressions for large values of \(t\).
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Lets say we have \vec{r} = x\vec{i} + y\vec{j} + z\vec{k}. If the particle undergoes a displacement \Delta \vec{r} in time \Delta t then we know that \Delta r \doteq \frac{d\vec{r}}{dt} \Delta t = \vec{v}\Delta t.

How is \vec{v} \Delta t tangent to the particles trajectory, when we take \Delta t \rightarrow 0? Wouldn't the expression become 0? I can see how \Delta \vec{r} \rightarrow 0 as \Delta t \rightarrow 0.

Also let's say we have the following:

\vect{r} = A(e^{\alpha t}\vec{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vec{j})

I know that \vec{v} = A(\alpha e^{\alpha t}\vec{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vec{j})

As t\rightarrow \infty, e^{\alpha t} \rightarrow \infty and e^{-\alpha t} \rightarrow 0. From this how do we come to the conclusion that \vec{r} \rightarrow Ae^{\alpha t}\vec{i}? I thought that \vec{r} \rightarrow \infty.

Similarily, \vec{v} \rightarrow \alpha Ae^{\alpha t}\vec{i} when it seems like it should approach \infty. Perhaps it has to do something with the x-components?

\alpha is a constant.

Thanks for your help
 
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sherlockjones said:
How is \vect{v} \Delta t tangent to the particles trajectory, when we take \Delta t \rightarrow 0? Wouldn't the expression become 0? I can see how \Delta \vect{r} \rightarrow 0 as \Delta t \rightarrow 0.
The expression v\Delta t would approach zero. It's the vector v=\lim_{t\to 0}\Delta r/Delta t that is tangential to the particle's trajectory.

Also let's say we have the following:

\vect{r} = A(e^{\alpha t}\vect{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vect{j})

I know that \vect{v} = A(\alpha e^{\alpha t}\vect{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vect{j})

As t\rightarrow \infty, e^{\alpha t} \rightarrow \infty and e^{-\alpha t} \rightarrow 0. From this how do we come to the conclusion that \vect{r} \rightarrow Ae^{\alpha t}\vect{i}? I thought that \vect{r} \rightarrow \infty.

Similarily, \vect{v} \rightarrow \alpha Ae^{\alpha t}\vect{i} when it seems like it should approach \infty. Perhaps it has to do something with the x-components?

Thanks for your help
I`m not sure what you want to do here. There's an error in the expression for v (not sure if that's a typo). Then (assuming alpha>0) you take the limit as t-> infinity (what for?).

It's true that r-> infinity if t-> infinity, but If you want to approximate the trajectory for large t, you can drop the second term since it is vanishingly small in comparison with the first term.
 
They wanted me to sketch the trajectory. But \vec{r} = Ae^{\alpha t }\vec{i}} + Ae^{-\alpha t}\vec{j}?
Then the second term approaches 0 and the first term approaches \infty. So then doesn't \vec{r} \rightarrow \infty?
 
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Yes, but that doesn't help in sketching the trajectory. You want the asymptotic behaviour of r, not the limit as t-> infinity.
 
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