Pendulum max gravity acceleration

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The discussion revolves around determining the ratio of maximum acceleration of a pendulum to gravitational acceleration, expressed in terms of the pendulum's length, L. Participants express confusion regarding whether the question pertains to maximum angular acceleration or linear acceleration, noting that clarity is lacking. It is suggested that the question likely seeks the ratio of angular acceleration, but this still depends on the amplitude of the pendulum's swing. The ambiguity in the phrasing of "ratio between" further complicates the interpretation, as it is unclear which acceleration should be divided by the other. Ultimately, one participant proposes that the ratio may be 1/L, which seems the most plausible conclusion.
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Homework Statement



What is the ratio between maximum acceleration of pendulum oscillation and the gravity acceleration ?
Express the answer in terms of L (the length of pendulum string)

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The Attempt at a Solution



amax = ω2 A = (g/l) L sin θ = g sin θ

So, the ratio is sin θ..
But, how to express sin θ in terms of L?
I know that for small angles, sin θ can be approximated to θ, and θ is arc length/L... Still, it's confusing
 
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The question strikes me as ambiguous. Does it mean the maximum angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, or the maximum linear tangential acceleration, ##L\ddot \theta##?
If we take it as linear, dimensional analysis shows the question is unanswerable. A ratio of two accelerations is dimensionless, so cannot be derived from a single distance. At least two distances would be required.
If we take it as angular, we still don't get any further since, as you found, it depends on the amplitude.

Another possibility is total linear acceleration, which means centripetal acceleration needs to be considered.
 
haruspex said:
The question strikes me as ambiguous. Does it mean the maximum angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, or the maximum linear tangential acceleration, ##L\ddot \theta##?
If we take it as linear, dimensional analysis shows the question is unanswerable. A ratio of two accelerations is dimensionless, so cannot be derived from a single distance. At least two distances would be required.
If we take it as angular, we still don't get any further since, as you found, it depends on the amplitude.

Another possibility is total linear acceleration, which means centripetal acceleration needs to be considered.

The options are

A. 2L
B. √L
C. √(1/L)
D. L
E. 1/L

Which one is correct... please help
 
terryds said:
The options are

A. 2L
B. √L
C. √(1/L)
D. L
E. 1/L

Which one is correct... please help
I would say this establishes that what they are after is angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, not linear acceleration. We still have the problem that the correct answer involves the amplitude, but maybe the question intended to ask only how the ratio depends on L, rather than an exact ratio between the two accelerations, so just treat it as though the amplitude is 1.
But there is a second difficulty. The "ratio between" does not specify which is to be divided by the other. Is a ratio of 1:L an answer of L or 1/L?
 
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haruspex said:
I would say this establishes that what they are after is angular acceleration, ##\ddot \theta##, not linear acceleration. We still have the problem that the correct answer involves the amplitude, but maybe the question intended to ask only how the ratio depends on L, rather than an exact ratio between the two accelerations, so just treat it as though the amplitude is 1.
But there is a second difficulty. The "ratio between" does not specify which is to be divided by the other. Is a ratio of 1:L an answer of L or 1/L?

It means the division of max pendulum acceleration by the gravitational acceleration. Maybe it's 1/L
 
terryds said:
It means the division of max pendulum acceleration by the gravitational acceleration. Maybe it's 1/L
That looks the most likely.
 
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