Period of orbiting satellites - Mastering Physics 13.20

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The discussion revolves around the orbital mechanics of three satellites with varying masses orbiting a planet of unknown radius and mass. The original poster presents specific questions regarding the periods and forces acting on the satellites, as well as the kinetic-energy ratio between two of them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the orbital periods and forces acting on the satellites, questioning how to derive these values given the lack of specific information about the planet's characteristics.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided methods for calculating the periods and forces based on the original poster's equations, while others have identified potential errors in reasoning and calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the satellites' radii and their respective forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of the planet's radius and mass as constraints that complicate the calculations. The original poster expresses difficulty in simplifying the problem due to these unknowns.

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Homework Statement


Three satellites orbit a planet of radius R, as shown in the figure. Satellites S_1 and S_3 have mass m. Satellite S_2 has mass 2 m. Satellite S_1 orbits in 250 minutes and the force on S_1 is 10,000 N.

See attached figure (knight_Figure_12_26.jpg).

a. What is the period of S_2? Answer: 250 min

b. What is the period of S_3?

c. What is the force on S_2? Answer: 2.00x10^4 N

d. What is the force on S_3?

e. What is the kinetic-energy ratio K_1/K_3 for S_1 and S_3? Answer: 2/3


Homework Equations




[tex]F=\frac{G m_1 m_2}{r^2}[/tex]

[tex]T^2 = ( \frac{4 \pi ^2}{G M} ) r^3[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Parts (a) and (c) are obvious since mass does not effect the period and mass of S_2 is twice that of S_1 so it will have twice the force. The answer for (e) was also pretty easy since the only difference between the equations for the period would be the radius 2r vs. 3r.

I am having trouble with parts (b) and (d) due to a lack of information. I don't know the planet's radius or its mass. I can't see a way to substitute one equation into another to remove a variable either. I have too many unknowns and I just don't see a way to simplify it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Can't see the attachment yet, but I'll hazard a guess...satellite 1 has an orbital radius of 2r while satellite 3 has an orbital radius of 3r based on what part of your answer, right?
Then the period of satellite 3 can be obtained from the 2nd equation you have via comparing it with the case for satellite 1 (since 4pi^2/GM is a constant). Just formulate the equation for both satellite 1 and satellite 3, then divide one of the equations by the other - the constant term cancels out.
A similar method can be done for (d)
 
Okay I got the answer for part (b) and I tried to do the same kind of operation for part (d) but The answer doesn't seem to work out.

[tex]F_1 = \frac{G m_1 m_2}{(2r)^2}[/tex]

[tex]F_3 = \frac{G m_1 m_2}{(3r)^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{F_1}{F_3} = \frac{\frac{G m_1 m_2}{(2r)^2}}{\frac{G m_1 m_2}{(3r)^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{F_1}{F_3} = \frac{3^3}{2^3}[/tex]

...and [tex]F_1 = 10000[/tex] so...

[tex]F_3 = 10000 \frac{8}{27} = 2963[/tex]

But Mastering Physics says this is wrong. See anything wrong?
 
Screwed up the force equation in the last few steps. The denominator should be r^2 rather than r^3. Thanks so much for your help Fightfish.
 

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