Period Ratio for Horizontal and Vertical Oscillations

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equations of motion for a mass connected to two springs on a frictionless table, analyzing small oscillations in both the x and y directions. For the x direction, the differential equation is established as -2kx = ma, leading to a solution for angular frequency. In the y direction, the equation incorporates the effects of spring forces and small angle approximations, ultimately yielding a different angular frequency. The ratio of the periods of oscillation is calculated, revealing an algebraic mistake in the initial attempt, which incorrectly placed the terms in the ratio. The correct ratio of the periods is confirmed as T_x/T_y = (1 - l_0/l)^(1/2).
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Homework Statement


A mass m rests on a frictionless horizontal table and is connected to rigid supports via two identical springs each of relaxed length l_{0} and spring constant k. Each spring is stretched to a length l considerably greater than l_{0}. Horizontal displacements of m from its equilibrium position are labeled x (along AB) and y (perpendicular to AB).

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(a) Write down the differential equiation of motion (i.e., Newton's law) governing small oscillations in the x direction.
(b) Write down the differential equiation of motion governing small oscillations in the y direction (assume y<<l).
(c) In terms of l and l_{0}, calculate the ratio of the periods of oscillation along x and y.

The rest of the question can be found on page 86 at http://www.scribd.com/doc/160672855/Vibrations-and-Waves-a-P-French



Homework Equations


<br /> F = ma \\<br /> a^{2} + b^{2} = c^{2} \\<br /> sin(\theta)≈tan(\theta) \text{ when } \theta \text{ is small} \\<br /> (1+a)^{n} ≈ 1 + na \frac{n(n-1)a^{2}}{2!} +...\\<br />



The Attempt at a Solution


(a) I imagined a small displacement x to the right, which I also declared to be positive.
<br /> -k(l + x - l_{0}) + k(l-x-l_{0}) = ma \\<br /> -2kx = ma \\<br /> 0 = ma + 2kx<br />

(b) I tried going about this using some of the techniques discussed while doing question 3-7 which can be found here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=694259 But my answer doesn't match the one in the back of the book and I'm not sure why.

I also imagined a small displacement y so there is some force in each of the springs such that F_{L} = F_{R} = F, then the equation of motion in the y direction looks like:
<br /> 2Fsin(\theta) = ma \\<br /> sin(\theta) ≈ tan(\theta) = \frac{y}{l} \text{ *see attached attempt at inkscape*} \\<br /> 2F \frac{y}{l} = ma<br />
<br /> F = k(l&#039;-l_{0}) \\<br /> F = k\left(\left(y^{2}+l^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}-l_{0}\right)<br />
<br /> 2k\left(\left(y^{2}+l^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}-l_{0}\right) \frac{y}{l} = ma\\<br /> 2k\left(l\left(1+\left(\frac{y}{l}\right)^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}-l_{0}\right) \frac{y}{l} = ma\\<br /> \text{using the binomial approx...}\\<br /> 2k\left(l\left(1+\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{y}{l}\right)^{2}\right)-l_{0}\right) \frac{y}{l} = ma\\<br /> 2k\left(y+\frac{y^{3}}{2l^{2}}-\frac{l_{0}}{l} y\right) = ma \\<br /> \text{assuming y is small} \\<br /> 2k\left(1-\frac{l_{0}}{l}\right)y = ma \\<br /> 0 = ma + 2k\left(1-\frac{l_{0}}{l}\right)y<br />
Also I see in the last step there is something going on with a sign, maybe it's because the way I set it up the displacement is in the negative direction.

(c)
<br /> \omega_{x} = \left(\frac{2k}{m}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}\\<br /> \omega_{y} = \left(\frac{2k\left(1-\frac{l_{0}}{l}\right)}{m}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}\\<br /> \frac{T_{x}}{T_{y}} = \left(1-\frac{l_{0}}{l}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}} \\<br /> \text{The answer in the back of the book is:}\\<br /> \frac{T_{x}}{T_{y}} = \left(1-\frac{l_{0}}{l}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}<br />
 
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You just made an algebra mistake in the last step. The ratio ##\frac{T_x}{T_y} = \frac{\omega_y}{\omega_x}## has ##\omega_y## on top so it should be proportional to ##(1-l/l_0)^{+1/2}##.
 
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because
<br /> T_{x} = \frac{2 \pi}{\omega_{x}}<br />
right on vela, thank you.
 
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