Phase distortion near nyquist frequency

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The discussion centers on the phase response of an 8th order low-pass Butterworth filter, specifically the spread of points near the Nyquist frequency observed in both bilinear transformation and FFT methods. Despite using different approaches, both methods yielded similar phase responses, with increased distortion noted at higher filter orders. The issue appears to be more pronounced in the stop band, where the gain is extremely low, suggesting it may not be a significant concern. The user speculates that the distortion could be attributed to bilinear approximation or FFT artifacts, but ultimately considers the problem negligible. The conversation highlights the complexities of phase distortion in digital filtering near critical frequency points.
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Hello all,

I obtained transfer function of a 8th order low-pass butterworth filter by bilinear transformation with frequency prewarping. When I plot the phase response of the filter for a given interval of frequency there are spreaded points near Nyquist frequency. (I used unwrap.m before plotting). What is the reason of this?

I also followed a different path: First defined an impulse (delta) function in the time domain and filtered it. And I used fft to obtain the transfer function. (I took into consideration the time shift effect)

The two methods gave the same phase response except at near the Nyquist frequency. Both of them included some spreaded points near Nyquist frequency. Can you tell me what is this?

I should add that the situation gets worst with the increasing order of the filter. And first method has lesser distorsion.
 
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When I use high-pass filter same thing happened at near zero frequency not at Nyquist frequency. Hence in both cases distortion is in stop band where the gain is about 1e-15. Therefore I can say that it is not a problem.

But I don't know the reason. May be it is beause of bilinear approximation or fft is making all the mess. I don't know but it is not important any more as I said.
 
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