Photoelectric effect , Superposition of sine waves

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The discussion revolves around a photoelectric effect experiment involving the analysis of saturation current resulting from different light wave configurations impacting a metal plate. The original poster presents a scenario with a monochromatic plane wave and explores how a modified wave affects the saturation current.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the electric field amplitude and the number of incident photons, questioning the proportionality constants involved in different wave scenarios. There is exploration of how the average intensity of the waves might differ and its implications for the saturation current.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding proportionality constants and the averaging of electric field magnitudes over cycles. There is a recognition of potential discrepancies in the calculations and an ongoing examination of the relationships between the components of the waves.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the average intensity of the electric field varies with time and may not have the same proportionality constant across different wave configurations. Additionally, there is mention of the need to consider the frequency of the waves when calculating the number of photons per second.

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Homework Statement


In a photoelectric effect experiment, a monochromatic plane wave of light falls on a metal plate. The electric field in the light wave at a point near the plate varies according to E=E_0 \cos (\omega t). This results in a saturation current of 6 μA. If instead, the light wave was governed by E=E_0 (1+\cos (\omega t)) \cos (\omega t), what would the saturation current be?

Homework Equations


The saturation current I_s \propto n_p where n_p is the number of incident photons per second and n_p \propto {E_0}^2.

The Attempt at a Solution


The given wave can be written as a sum of 3 sinusoids of frequency \omega, 2 \omega and zero.
E=E_0 \cos (\omega t)+ \frac{E_0}{2} \cos (2 \omega t)+\frac{E_0}{2}
Since frequence \omega can knock out photoelectrons, so can 2 \omega. The third term doesn't eject pholoelectrons.
I found the number of photons per second in the two waves (this is the part I suspect is wrong)
n_{p,\omega} \propto {E_0}^2
n_{p,2 \omega} \propto \left( \frac{E_0}{2}\right) ^2
and total photons incident per second would be
n_p' = n_{p,\omega} + n_{p,2 \omega} \propto \frac{5}{4} {E_0}^2
The saturation current in this case
I_s' \propto n_p' \propto \frac{5}{4} {E_0}^2
\implies I_s'=\frac{5}{4} I_s= 7.5 μA
However, the answer given at the back of the book is 6.75 μA which is like 9/8 Is. What am I doing wrong
 
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Terry Bing said:
The saturation current ##I_s \propto n_p## where ##n_p## is the number of incident photons per second and ##n_p \propto {E_0}^2 .##
I think you should pay closer attention to the constant of proportionality and how it is obtained. Is it the same in the two situations?
 
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kuruman said:
I think you should pay closer attention to the constant of proportionality and how it is obtained. Is it the same in the two situations?
Thank you.
For the original wave,
n_p= \frac{c \times \frac{1}{2} \epsilon _0 {E_0}^2}{\hbar \omega}
For the compound wave , no. of photons with energy ħω
n_{p,\omega}= \frac{c \times \frac{1}{2} \epsilon _0 {E_0}^2}{\hbar \omega}
and no. of photons with energy 2ħω
n_{p,2 \omega}= \frac{c \times \frac{1}{2} \epsilon _0 ({E_0 /2})^2}{\hbar \times 2 \omega}. (per unit cross section area.)
Total incident photons (per second per unit area) for the compound wave
n_p'= n_{p,\omega}+n_{p,2 \omega}=\frac{9}{8} \frac{c \times \frac{1}{2} \epsilon _0 {E_0}^2}{\hbar \omega}=\frac{9}{8}n_p
 
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That's not what I had in mind. The magnitude of the electric field varies with time, therefore an average needs to be taken over a cycle. The average intensity is proportional to ##E_0^2##. Does the average intensity for the two waves have the same proportionality constant?
 
kuruman said:
That's not what I had in mind. The magnitude of the electric field varies with time, therefore an average needs to be taken over a cycle. The average intensity is proportional to ##E_0^2##. Does the average intensity for the two waves have the same proportionality constant?
It does, doesn't it ? Intensity depends on the amplitude and the wave velocity, which is the same for the two components.
When you say 'the two waves', do you mean the two sinusoidal components of the 2nd wave? This is what I thought you meant. Or do you mean the pure sinusoidal wave vs the compound wave?
Isn't what I wrote down in the previous reply correct? The average intensity is proportional to the amplitude for both the components, with the same proportionality constant, but the energy per photon is different. This is where I made a mistake earlier.
 
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You have to consider that for every cycle of the ##\omega## wave you have two cycles of the ##2\omega## wave. So you should weigh the latter twice in order to find the appropriate fraction.
 

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