Physical Interpretation of point transformation invariance of the Lagrangian

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The discussion centers on demonstrating the invariance of Euler-Lagrange equations under point transformations and seeking a physical interpretation of this property. It is established that the Lagrangian formalism does not depend on specific coordinates, emphasizing that coordinates are merely tools for calculations rather than physical entities. The invariance implies that the Lagrangian is universal, applicable across any coordinate system. This universality suggests that the underlying physics described by the Lagrangian remains consistent regardless of the chosen coordinates. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the abstract nature of coordinates in the context of physical laws.
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Homework Statement


The problem asked us to show that the Euler-Lagrange's equations are invariant under a point transformation q_{i}=q_{i}(s_{1},...,s_{n},t), i=1...n. Give a physical interpretation.


Homework Equations


\frac{d}{dt}(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{s_{j}}})=\frac{\partial L}{\partial s_{j}}


The Attempt at a Solution



I proved the invariance.
I am stumped with the physical interpretation. Except for the fact that the E-L equations are invariant when we change coordinates pointwise, I don't see any other physical interpretation. But this answer seems just repeating their question. :confused:
 
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Are coordinates something physical to begin with?
 
voko said:
Are coordinates something physical to begin with?

No they are not. They are something we make in order to do the calculations.
It was just a wild guess really.
 
That's what one should expect physically. Now you have proved that the Lagrangian formalism does not require any special coordinates, they all work. What does that mean about the formalism itself?
 
This means that the Lagrangian is independant of the coordinate system. And this makes sense, because a coordinate system is nothing physical and is arbitrary.
So, this means that the Lagrangian is universal? In other words, it works for any coordinate system.
 
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