Physical pendulum thin rods problem

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The problem involves two identical thin rods forming an L-shaped object that oscillates when balanced on a sharp edge. The objective is to determine the frequency of oscillation based on the physical parameters of the rods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the center of mass and moment of inertia for the combined object, questioning the application of known formulas. Some participants discuss the additive nature of moment of inertia and raise questions about the relevance of angles in calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the moment of inertia and clarifying the distinction between angular frequency and ordinary frequency. There is recognition of a potential oversight regarding the type of frequency being sought.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of moment of inertia in relation to the configuration of the rods and the specific requirements of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of a discrepancy in the expected answer, prompting further exploration.

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Homework Statement


Two identical thin rods, each with mass m and length L, are joined at right angles to form an L shaped object. This object is balanced on top of a sharp edge. If the L shaped object is deflected slightly, it oscillates. Find the frequency of oscillation.
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the correct answer is 1/4∏(√(6g/√(2L)).

Homework Equations


moment of inertia of a slender rod about one end: I = 1/3mL^2
ω=√(mgd/I)

The Attempt at a Solution


I think the center of mass is at 45° between the rods, √2/2L down from the pivot. Let me know if that is wrong. I think that would make d=√2/2L. So my main problem is in finding I. I know I for each rod, but I don't know how to use that to find I for the entire oscillating object.
 
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Moment of inertia is additive. If you know the moments of inertia of two bodies (with respect to one point), then the moment of inertia of the combined body (with respect to the same point) is the sum of the moments.
 
What do I do to take the angle into account?
 
Why would you? Are there any angles in the definition of the moment of inertia?
 
Well, no. But the answer I am getting is just a factor of pi/2 off from the correct answer, but I don't know where that is coming from.
 
What frequency are you supposed to find? Angular ##\omega## or ordinary ##f##?
 
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Oh my goodness, you're right. I've been looking for the angular frequency when this question calls for regular frequency. Thank you so much! I can't believe I wasted so much time on such a silly oversight :P
 

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