Physics Bloopers: Sound Level Problem Gone Wrong

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A high school physics class encountered a problem involving sound levels, specifically determining the distance at which a sound source producing 105 dB at 5.0 m would no longer be heard. The initial attempt to solve the problem resulted in an unrealistic distance of about 890 km, prompting confusion. The key issue identified was the misuse of the formula, which only applies to relative decibel values and does not account for the absolute threshold of hearing. To correctly solve the problem, one should calculate the intensity using the formula for decibels and then apply the inverse square law to find the appropriate distance. This highlights the importance of understanding the context and limitations of the equations used in physics.
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In my high school physics class the other day the teacher botched an example problem involving sound level (decibels).

Homework Statement


A single sound source produces 105 dB at a distance of 5.0 m. How far away must the observer be to not hear this sound at all?


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


The reference intensity I0 is the lowest intensity a human can hear, 1 x 10-12 W/m2, so when the source is far enough away its intensity will be equal to this. The intensity of a sound falls off as 1/d2, so after substituting the information in the problem the equation above can be rewritten as follows:
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In this equation, d0 represents the distance to the sound source that produces the reference intensity and d is the distance to the original source, 5.0 m for this problem.
When this is solved for d0, the result is 177828d, or about 890 km. This can't be right! What happened? Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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EDIT: Whoops. This is a really old question. I answered it by mistake thinking it was recent.

keydetpiper said:
In my high school physics class the other day the teacher botched an example problem involving sound level (decibels).

Homework Statement


A single sound source produces 105 dB at a distance of 5.0 m. How far away must the observer be to not hear this sound at all?

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


The reference intensity I0 is the lowest intensity a human can hear, 1 x 10-12 W/m2, so when the source is far enough away its intensity will be equal to this. The intensity of a sound falls off as 1/d2, so after substituting the information in the problem the equation above can be rewritten as follows:
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In this equation, d0 represents the distance to the sound source that produces the reference intensity and d is the distance to the original source, 5.0 m for this problem.
When this is solved for d0, the result is 177828d, or about 890 km. This can't be right! What happened? Thanks in advance for your help.
$$\text{β = 10log(}\frac{d₀²}{d²})$$ is unhelpful in this question.

The formula only applies to relative (not absolute) dB values. E.g. if d₀ = 10d, then β = 10log(10²) = 20dB.

That means there is a 20dB *difference* between levels at the two distances. The absolute levels (referenced to 10⁻¹²W/m²) could be 100dB and 80dB, or 20dB and 0dB for example, depending on ther source's power output.

The formula contains no information about the absolute threshold level (10⁻¹²W/m²). For example if the threshold level were changed to, say, 10⁻¹¹W/m², the formula would give the same result, which makes no sense.

I’d take this approach:

Use 105 = 10log(I/10⁻¹²) to work out I/10⁻¹².

Apply the inverse square law:$$\frac{d₀²}{5²} = \frac{I}{10⁻¹²}$$to find d₀.
 
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