Physics project help -- magnetism

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a magnet that can slide down a pole without friction, specifically focusing on a cylindrical magnet with a north pole exterior and south pole interior. The context includes considerations for a middle school science fair project, exploring concepts of magnetism and potential designs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a cylindrical magnet with a north pole exterior and south pole interior, suggesting it could slide down a magnetized pole.
  • Several participants challenge the idea of a north pole exterior, stating that it would imply a magnetic monopole, which is not feasible.
  • Alternative suggestions include using bar magnets that slide through a copper tube to demonstrate eddy currents.
  • A participant suggests constructing a tube magnet with the specified pole arrangement, acknowledging the complexity of creating a suitable pole for it to slide down.
  • Another participant mentions the potential for using radially magnetized ring or tube magnets, noting their difficulty in manufacturing and associated costs.
  • One participant expresses a misunderstanding of the geometry involved, later correcting themselves and acknowledging the possibility of a tube magnet with the described pole configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of the original magnet design, with multiple competing views on alternative approaches and the practicality of different magnet configurations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the original proposal.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about magnetic pole configurations and the definitions of terms like "cylinder" versus "tube." The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the manufacturing challenges of specific magnet types.

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Is it possible to make a magnet that slides down a pole with no friction? The magnet would be a cylinder, the exterior would be N and the interior S. It would slide down the S end of a magnetized pole. That way the the pole would push equally on the sides of the interior of the cylinder. This is for my middle school science fair.
 
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You cannot have a magnet whose exterior is a north pole. That would be a magnetic monopole and would be a Nobel prize project, not a middle school science fair project.

You could have bar magnets that slide through a copper tube, or something similar.
 
DaleSpam said:
You cannot have a magnet whose exterior is a north pole. That would be a magnetic monopole and would be a Nobel prize project, not a middle school science fair project.

You could have bar magnets that slide through a copper tube, or something similar.

Can you expand on that? How would that work?
 
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radaballer said:
Is it possible to make a magnet that slides down a pole with no friction? The magnet would be a cylinder, the exterior would be N and the interior S. It would slide down the S end of a magnetized pole. That way the the pole would push equally on the sides of the interior of the cylinder. This is for my middle school science fair.

DaleSpam said:
You cannot have a magnet whose exterior is a north pole. That would be a magnetic monopole and would be a Nobel prize project, not a middle school science fair project.

You could have bar magnets that slide through a copper tube, or something similar.

It seems like you could bolt together a number of thin rectangular magnets in the shape of a cylinder, with their S ends pressed together at the inner radius, and the outer N ends spaced a bit apart.

But even with that, you couldn't have a "pole" that was the S end of a magnet, so the overall idea still doesn't seem to work.

You could look into how maglev trains work -- that will give you an idea of a geometry that uses magnetic levitation to minimize friction...
 
Just buy some cylindrical bar magnets and then buy a copper tube that is slightly wider. You can use that kind of rig to demonstrate eddy currents.
 
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Could this type go magnet be made?
 
DaleSpam said:
Just buy some cylindrical bar magnets and then buy a copper tube that is slightly wider. You can use that kind of rig to demonstrate eddy currents.
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Ah, I completely misunderstood the geometry. I would call that shape a tube, not a cylinder. Please disregard my previous comments. I believe that you could indeed have a tube magnet with the poles as described in your OP. My apologies.
 
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You want to look for a radially magnetized ring or tube magnet. They are apparently difficult to manufacture, so they are going to be expensive.
 
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You can make a ring magnet with S on the inside and N on the outside.

However making the long magnetised pole for it to slide down is more of a problem. The further you get from the ends of the more it looks like a monopole from the outside.
 

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