Pigs in space and circular orbit

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the dynamics of two particles, referred to as "pigs," of masses ##m## and ##M## undergoing uniform circular motion influenced by an attractive force ##F##. The participants derive the relationship R = \frac{F}{\omega^2}\left( \frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{M} \right) through analysis of angular velocities and accelerations. The key equations utilized include ##F = ma## and the relationship between tangential velocities and angular velocities. The final conclusion confirms the derived formula for R, correcting initial misconceptions regarding the forces and accelerations acting on the particles.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Newton's laws of motion, specifically ##F = ma##.
  • Familiarity with concepts of uniform circular motion and angular velocity.
  • Basic knowledge of center of mass calculations.
  • Ability to manipulate algebraic equations involving forces and accelerations.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the concept of center of mass in multi-body systems.
  • Learn about angular momentum and its conservation in circular motion.
  • Explore gravitational forces and their role in orbital mechanics.
  • Investigate the dynamics of two-body problems in classical mechanics.
USEFUL FOR

Students and educators in physics, particularly those focusing on mechanics, as well as anyone interested in understanding the principles of circular motion and gravitational interactions between bodies.

swevener
Messages
21
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Two [STRIKE]particles[/STRIKE] pigs of mass ##m## and ##M## undergo uniform circular motion about each other at a separation of ##R## under the influence of an attractive force ##F##. The angular velocity is ##\omega## radians per second. Show that [tex]R = \frac{F}{\omega^2}\left( \frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{M} \right).[/tex]

Homework Equations


##F = ma##


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm having trouble reconciling my physical reasoning (which is probably wrong) with the given answer. Okay so since the pigs are orbiting each other I think that means their tangential velocities are equal. And we've got a central force ##F## keeping them a distance ##R## apart.

The book hasn't covered center of mass yet, but I don't care; I want to find the center of mass. (It's likely this is where I'm going astray, but this is what makes sense to me, so I'm going to do it and hope you'll tell me why I'm wrong.) Let's put the origin at ##M## for the time being, so the center of mass is ##mR/(m+M)## along the line connecting ##m## and ##M##. That makes the distance of ##m## from the center of mass ##R - mR/(m+M) = MR/(m+M)##. Now move the origin to the center of mass and define ##r_M = mR/(m+M)## and ##r_m = MR/(m+M)##, noting that if ##m = M##, ##r_m = r_M = R/2##, so that seems okay.

With respect to my possibly inconvenient origin, ##m## and ##M## have the same tangential velocity ##v## but will have different angular velocities, ##v = r_m \omega_m = r_M \omega_M##. But with respect to the midpoint between them, I think they'd have the same angular velocity ##v = (R/2) \omega##. With that relation we can get [tex]\omega_M = \frac{R}{2 r_M} \omega = \frac{m + M}{2m} \omega[/tex] and [tex]\omega_m = \frac{R}{2 r_m} \omega = \frac{m + M}{2M} \omega.[/tex] (Edit: Looking at this again, these equations would mean ##\omega_M \ge \omega_m##, which doesn't make sense when ##r_M \le r_m##. :frown:)

Now the accelerations. For ##M##, [tex]\mathbf{a}_M = -\frac{F}{M} \hat{r} = -r_M \omega_M^2 \hat{r} \rightarrow \frac{F}{M} - r_M \omega_M^2 = 0.[/tex] For ##m##, [tex]\mathbf{a}_m = -\frac{F}{m} \hat{r} = -r_m \omega_m^2 \hat{r} \rightarrow \frac{F}{m} - r_m \omega_m^2 = 0.[/tex]

Since 0 + 0 = 0, [tex]\frac{F}{M} + \frac{F}{m} - r_M \omega_M^2 - r_m \omega_m^2 = 0.[/tex] At this point, if I just let ##r_M \omega_M^2 = r_m \omega_m^2 = v^2 / (R/2) = R \omega^2 / 2##, the answer pops right out. That doesn't make much sense to me, though. Why would the same force acting on two unequal masses yield the same acceleration? So I'll keep going. [tex]\begin{align}F \left( \frac{m + M}{mM} \right) &= r_M \omega_M^2 + r_m \omega_m^2 \\<br /> &= r_M \left( \frac{m + M}{2m} \omega \right)^2 + r_m \left( \frac{m + M}{2M} \omega \right)^2 \\<br /> \frac{F}{mM} &= r_M \frac{m + M}{4m^2} \omega^2 + r_m \frac{m + M}{4M^2} \omega^2 \\<br /> &= \left( \frac{mR}{m+M} \frac{m+M}{4m^2} + \frac{MR}{m+M} \frac{m+M}{4M^2} \right) \omega^2 \\<br /> &= \left( \frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{M} \right) \frac{R \omega^2}{4} \\<br /> F &= \frac{R \omega^2 (m + M)}{4}.\end{align}[/tex] Thus [tex]R = \frac{4F}{\omega^2 (m+M)}.[/tex]So why am I wrong?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Never mind. I got it. (See the edit.)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
335
Views
17K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K