Point of application of magnetic torque.

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The discussion revolves around the application of magnetic torque on a current-carrying loop placed in a uniform magnetic field. The original poster seeks to understand the point of application of torque as described by the equation ζ = M × B, where M is the magnetic moment.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the independence of magnetic torque from the chosen axis and discuss its implications in a scenario involving a sphere and a ring on an inclined plane.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the nature of magnetic torque, indicating that it behaves like a couple in mechanics and is independent of the reference point. The discussion appears to be productive, with participants engaging in conceptual exploration.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's scenario includes considerations of gravitational torque and the effects of a uniform magnetic field, raising questions about the equivalence of magnetic torque at different points of application.

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Homework Statement



Hello,
When a current carrying loop (of any shape) is placed in a uniform magnetic field B , the field is given by MχB where M is the magnetic moment vector I*A where I Is current and A is the area vector. I want to know at which point or for which axis is the torque applied given by the above equation.

Homework Equations



ζ=MχB
M=I*A

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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hi anmol21! welcome to pf! :smile:

if B is uniform, the resultant force will be zero, so the effect is a pure torque

so the circuit will turn about the centre of mass of whatever the circuit is fixed to (or about whatever axis that is constrained to turn around)
 
Thanks tiny-tim :)

So is the magnetic torque independent of the axis chosen ?

For example , Consider a sphere with a ring attached to it , with current I in the ring , in rotational equilibrium on a rough inclined plane. The magnetic field is vertically downwards and gravity is present. So we can equate the torque due to gravity and the magnetic torque at any point . So will be the magnetic torque be same even at the point of contact of the sphere with the ground or the centre of the sphere ?
 
hi anmol21! :smile:

the magnetic torque of a uniform magnetic field on a circuit is a couple

it is exactly the same as a couple (or "pure moment") in mechanics: it has the same moment about any point

"a system of forces with a resultant (a.k.a. net, or sum) moment but no resultant force"

"… the moment (torque) of a couple is independent of the reference point P: Any point will give the same moment. In other words, a torque vector, unlike any other moment vector, is a "free vector"."​

both quotes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couple_(mechanics) :wink:
 
thanks a lot , that clears it up :)
 

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