B Deriving the Polar of a Point on a Conic

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The discussion focuses on deriving the polar of a point P(p, q) with respect to a general conic represented by the equation ax^2 + 2hxy + by^2 + 2gx + 2fy + c = 0. It clarifies that the polar of point P is the chord of contact of the tangents drawn from P to the conic. If point P lies on the conic, the chord of contact becomes non-existent as the tangents coincide at that point. The conversation also highlights the importance of understanding the implicit derivative in this derivation process. Overall, the participants aim to clarify the derivation of the polar equation and the implications of point placement relative to the conic.
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If a general conic is

<br /> ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0<br />

I am told that, if P(p, q) is a point on this conic, then the polar of P(p, q) to this conic is

<br /> apx+h(py+qx)+bgy+g(p+x)+f(q+y)+c=0<br />

How is this derived?
 
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What is your definition of the polar of a point wrt the conic? What do you know about the polar if the point lies on the conic?
 
Thanks for your reply micromass. I realize I made a mistake. P(p,q) does not lie on the conic.

The polar is the chord of contact of the tangents from P.

If the point lies on the conic then the chord of contact would be non existent as P and the tangent points would all be coincident.

If we assume there are no constraints on P, what would be the derivation?
 
Do you know the equation of the tangent line from ##P##?
 
OK I think I'm with you now. Thanks for the prompt. I think the implicit derivative was my main stumbling block, amongst various other oversights.
 
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