Polynomials & Real Numbers: Find Remainder & No. of Divisors

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The discussion revolves around two problems: one from polynomials involving the division of \(x^{100}\) by \(x^2 - 3x + 2\) and another from real numbers concerning the number of positive divisors of \(10^{999}\) that do not divide \(10^{998}\).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss factorization of the polynomial divisor and the form of the remainder. There are attempts to use polynomial long division, but some express confusion about the process. For the divisor problem, participants are encouraged to express \(10^{999}\) and \(10^{998}\) in terms of their prime factors.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the polynomial division and the factorization of the quadratic expression. Others have raised questions about the assumptions and methods being used, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach. The discussion remains active with participants seeking clarification and further exploration of the problems.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the factorization process and the assumptions about the forms of remainders in polynomial division. Participants also express uncertainty about how to proceed with the divisor problem, highlighting potential gaps in foundational knowledge.

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this is a HOT question from polynomials .

1)find the remainder when x^100 is divided by x^2 - 3x + 2

another from real numbers

2) The number of + divisors which divide 10^999 but not 10^998 are ______ i tried them for sometime . but could not solve them .
 
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sambarbarian said:
this is a HOT question from polynomials .

1)find the remainder when x^100 is divided by x^2 - 3x + 2

another from real numbers

2) The number of + divisors which divide 10^999 but not 10^998 are ______


i tried them for sometime . but could not solve them .

What have you tried?
 
well , i dint really know where to begin , so i just tried some factorization of the first equation and then dividing x^100 by them , but that dint work out . I also tried out a load of thinking but dint get anywhere :( . ( as to the second , I am clueless )
 
sambarbarian said:
well , i dint really know where to begin , so i just tried some factorization of the first equation and then dividing x^100 by them , but that dint work out . I also tried out a load of thinking but dint get anywhere :( . ( as to the second , I am clueless )

Let's tackle the first, well, first.

One way to do this sort of problem is to use polynomial long division. While that may be practical for a lower order dividend (numerator), the dividend here is [itex]x^{100}[/itex], which makes this infeasible. So we have to use another approach.

The divisor here is a quadratic expression. Do you know what form the remainder will take? Would it be a constant (a number) like when you divide a polynomial by a linear divisor? Or something else?

Start by factorising the divisor ([itex]x^2 - 3x + 2[/itex]).
 
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the form of remainder is not mentioned , and i tried the factorization , doesn't work
 
sambarbarian said:
the form of remainder is not mentioned , and i tried the factorization , doesn't work

The remainder will be a polynomial expression. The order of the polynomial is at most one less than the order of the divisor. So if your divisor is a linear expression like x + 5, then you will have a constant remainder (like 3 or -5 or 0). If your divisor is a quadratic expression, your remainder may be a linear expression like x + 2 or 3x - 5, or it may be a constant like 2 or -5. All these are just examples to illustrate the point.

So you should start by assuming the remainder is a linear expression, ax + b, where a and b are constants. If a comes out to be 0, then you know the remainder is simply a constant.

When P(x) is divided by a quadratic expression [itex](x-\alpha)(x-\beta)[/itex], you can express the result by this equation:

[itex]P(x) = (x-\alpha)(x-\beta)Q(x) + (ax + b)[/itex], where the remainder is [itex]ax + b[/itex].

So your first step is to find out [itex]\alpha[/itex] and [itex]\beta[/itex], which is why I asked you to factorise the quadratic divisor. Surely, you know how to do that!
 
oh yes , i know that , i told you i tried that , but the equation cannot be solved :/
 
sambarbarian said:
oh yes , i know that , i told you i tried that , but the equation cannot be solved :/

So WHAT is the factorisation of the divisor?
 
You say you know to factorise the quadratic divisor, and this is all I want to see. Once you do that, I can walk you through the rest of the solution. But you have to factorise the quadratic, which is a very basic step, which you say you know how to do.

So: just factorise [itex]x^2 - 3x + 2[/itex].

It's late where I am, so I'm going to have to turn in now. I'll check in again in the morning my time (about 8 hours' time) and help you, provided no one else has guided you to a solution by then.
 
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sambarbarian said:
2) The number of + divisors which divide 10^999 but not 10^998 are ______

OP, start by writing the two numbers as products of a power of 2 and a power of 5. In other words,
[tex]10^{999} = 2^{(something)} \cdot 5^{(something)}[/tex]
 
  • #11
Curious3141 said:
Start by factorising the divisor ([itex]x^2 - 3x + 2[/itex]).

sambarbarian said:
... and i tried the factorization , doesn't work

If you can't factor that, why would you be expect to be able to solve this problem? Perhaps you should take a look in a high school algebra book and do a review.
 
  • #12
LCKurtz said:
If you can't factor that, why would you be expect to be able to solve this problem? Perhaps you should take a look in a high school algebra book and do a review.

Yes. Either he knows how to factor a quadratic, in which case he should show his work, or he doesn't, in which case this problem is not suitable for him at this stage.
 
  • #13
guys , i obviously know how to factor the equation ( (x-2)(x-1) ) , i wanted to say that i tried this approach but dint get anywhere :/
 
  • #14
eumyang said:
OP, start by writing the two numbers as products of a power of 2 and a power of 5. In other words,
[tex]10^{999} = 2^{(something)} \cdot 5^{(something)}[/tex]

u mean 2^999 * 3^999 ... ( why did you write 'something' ? )
 
  • #15
sambarbarian said:
u mean 2^999 * 3^999 ... ( why did you write 'something' ? )

Because I wanted you to fill in (something) with a number. And by the way, the 2nd base should be 5, not 3. So,
[itex]10^{999} = 2^{999} \cdot 5^{999}[/itex] and
[itex]10^{998} = 2^{998} \cdot 5^{998}[/itex]

You'll notice that 2999 is not a factor of 10998. In fact, any factor of 10999 that is divisible by 2999 cannot be a factor of 10998. So how many of these factors of 10999 would that make altogether? (And no, the answer to this question is not the final answer of the problem.)
 
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sambarbarian said:
guys , i obviously know how to factor the equation ( (x-2)(x-1) ) , i wanted to say that i tried this approach but dint get anywhere :/

First find the remainder when you divide x100 by (x-1).(hint: is xn-1 divisible by (x-1)?)

ehild
 
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sambarbarian said:
guys , i obviously know how to factor the equation ( (x-2)(x-1) ) , i wanted to say that i tried this approach but dint get anywhere :/

Take another look at Curious3141's post (#6). What do you get when you look at [itex]x=\alpha[/itex] and [itex]x=\beta[/itex]? Apply that to your polynomial.
 
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sambarbarian said:
guys , i obviously know how to factor the equation ( (x-2)(x-1) ) , i wanted to say that i tried this approach but dint get anywhere :/

OK, finally, you've factored it (and shown it). (BTW, that's not an "equation", merely an expression).

You must have tried the wrong approach, because it's very easy from here on.

Use this equation I previously quoted:

[itex]P(x) = (x-\alpha)(x-\beta)Q(x) + (ax + b)[/itex], where the remainder is [itex]ax + b[/itex].

for the current problem as:

[itex]x^{100} = (x-1)(x-2)Q(x) + (ax + b)[/itex]

and successively put [itex]x = 1[/itex] and [itex]x = 2[/itex] to get two simple, linear simultaneous equations in [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]b[/itex]. Solve those, and just write down the remainder as [itex]ax + b[/itex], using what you've found.
 
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case 1 . 1^100 = (1)a + b => 1 = a+b
case 2 . 2^100 = (2)a = b => 2^100 = 2a+b

if i solve these for a and b , which value of x will i take for the answer ( 1 or 2 ) , as the remainder is ax+b.

this is the part where i failed.
 
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eumyang said:
because i wanted you to fill in (something) with a number. And by the way, the 2nd base should be 5, not 3. So,
[itex]10^{999} = 2^{999} \cdot 5^{999}[/itex] and
[itex]10^{998} = 2^{998} \cdot 5^{998}[/itex]

you'll notice that 2999 is not a factor of 10998. In fact, any factor of 10999 that is divisible by 2999 cannot be a factor of 10998. So how many of these factors of 10999 would that make altogether? (and no, the answer to this question is not the final answer of the problem.)

2^999 , 5^999 ?
 
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sambarbarian said:
case 1 . 1^100 = (1)a + b => 1 = a+b
case 2 . 2^100 = (2)a = b => 2^100 = 2a+b

Correct so far.

if i solve these for a and b , which value of x will i take for the answer ( 1 or 2 ) , as the remainder is ax+b.

this is the part where i failed.

No, the remainder IS (ax + b). The remainder when dividing by a quadratic can be a linear expression like that. You're probably getting confused by division by linear divisors, when the remainder is just a number (a constant).

I already explained this in post #6.
 
  • #22
by substitution , b=1-a => 2^100 = 1+a => a= 2^100 - 1
a=1-b =>2^100 = 2-b => b = 2 - 2^100
 
  • #23
sambarbarian said:
by substitution , b=1-a => 2^100 = 1+a => a= 2^100 - 1
a=1-b =>2^100 = 2-b => b = 2 - 2^100

Yes, now you can just write down the answer.
 
  • #24
x(2^100 - 1 ) + 2 - 2^100

2^100x -x +2 - 2^100 ? is this the ans ?
 
  • #25
sambarbarian said:
2^999 , 5^999 ?

No, I believe Eumyang was thinking about numbers like [itex]2^{999}.5[/itex], [itex]2^{999}.5^4[/itex] and [itex]2^{999}.5^{999}[/itex] (just examples). Have you considered those?

There are many more such numbers to consider.
 
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sambarbarian said:
x(2^100 - 1 ) + 2 - 2^100

2^100x -x +2 - 2^100 ? is this the ans ?

I would just leave it as [itex](2^{100} - 1 )x + 2 - 2^{100}[/itex].
 
  • #27
any chance this is equal to 2 - x ,,, that's the answer at the back of the textbook
 
  • #28
sambarbarian said:
any chance this is equal to 2 - x ,,, that's the answer at the back of the textbook

No. How can it be? If [itex]2 - x[/itex] is the answer in your book, it's wrong.
 
  • #29
begin {offtopic}

Sambarbarian, I am curious to know if you grew up in or near northeastern South Dakota. If your answer is yes, I will tell you why I thought that. Otherwise nevermind.

end{offtopic}
 
  • #30
nopes , I am an indian ... but please tell me y u thought that
 

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