Potential Difference between two points

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems involving electric potential difference and kinetic energy. The first problem concerns a bird on a DC electric transmission line, where participants explore the potential difference between the bird's feet based on resistance and current. The second problem involves an electron accelerated through a potential difference, prompting questions about its change in electric potential energy and resulting speed.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of resistance and potential difference for the bird on the transmission line, questioning whether the original poster's approach is correct. They also explore the relationship between kinetic energy and speed for the electron, considering the appropriate equations and the significance of the electron's mass.

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Some participants provide affirmations and guidance on the calculations, while others seek clarification on the relationship between kinetic energy and speed. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored, particularly regarding the assumptions about the mass of the electron and its relevance in calculations.

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Participants note the need for precision in calculations and the importance of units in determining the final results. There is an acknowledgment of the potential implications of relativistic effects if speeds approach significant fractions of the speed of light.

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Homework Statement


A bird stands on a DC electric transmission line carrying 2800A. The line has 2.5 x 10^-5 ohms resistance per meter, and the bird's feet are 4.0 cm apart. What is the potential difference between the bird's feet?

Homework Equations



I wish I knew

The Attempt at a Solution


Alright so since the resistance is 2.5 x 10^-5 per meter, I found that the resistance is .000001 ohms between the bird's feet. Since the current is 2800A, I used the equation V=IR and got .0028V. Is this correct or is the problem asking for something else?

Also, there is another problem I have

Homework Statement



Part A:
An electron in the picture tube of a television is accelerated from rest through a potential difference Vb-Va= 3000v. What is the change in electric Potential energy of the electron?

Part B:
What is the speed of the electron as a result of this acceleration?

Homework Equations



W=q(Vb-Va)

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved part A using the equation stated above and got 4.8 x10^-16
The part that I need help with is Part B. What equation should I use to find the speed?
 
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Looks fine to me. Well done.
 
Thanks Dick :) what about the second problem? any idea how to go about doing that one?
 
bishoy said:

Homework Statement


A bird stands on a DC electric transmission line carrying 2800A. The line has 2.5 x 10^-5 ohms resistance per meter, and the bird's feet are 4.0 cm apart. What is the potential difference between the bird's feet?


Homework Equations



I wish I knew

The Attempt at a Solution


Alright so since the resistance is 2.5 x 10^-5 per meter, I found that the resistance is .000001 ohms between the bird's feet. Since the current is 2800A, I used the equation V=IR and got .0028V. Is this correct or is the problem asking for something else?

Also, there is another problem I have

Homework Statement



Part A:
An electron in the picture tube of a television is accelerated from rest through a potential difference Vb-Va= 3000v. What is the change in electric Potential energy of the electron?

Part B:
What is the speed of the electron as a result of this acceleration?

Homework Equations



W=q(Vb-Va)

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved part A using the equation stated above and got 4.8 x10^-16
The part that I need help with is Part B. What equation should I use to find the speed?

If you put units on 4.8x10^(-16) then you've got the kinetic energy of the electron. It's Joules, right? So what's the relation between speed and kinetic energy?
 
Dick said:
So what's the relation between speed and kinetic energy?

Well, KE= 1/2mV^2, right? I have the KE, so all I need to do is put in the mass of the electron and solve for velocity? But I thought the mass of an electron is negligible in calculations?
 
bishoy said:
Well, KE= 1/2mV^2, right? I have the KE, so all I need to do is put in the mass of the electron and solve for velocity? But I thought the mass of an electron is negligible in calculations?

Depends on the calculation. You certainly can't ignore it in this one!
 
alright so using this equation:
<br /> v = \sqrt { 2 \frac {\mbox{KE}} m } <br />

and 9.10938188 × 10^(-31) kilograms as the mass of an electron i get
<br /> v = \sqrt { 2 \frac {\mbox{4.8x10^{-16}J}} {9.10938188 × 10^{-31}Kg } <br />

32463868.12 (assuming my math is correct)

and that would be in m/s?
 
You should round those numbers off to the precision implied by the problem. But yes, that looks ok. You should be able to figure out the units yourself. J=kg*m^2/s^2. What's sqrt(J/kg)? It's a good habit to get into carrying units around and checking the result has the correct dimension. On a more interesting side note, which you may ignore until you study relativity, that's about 10% of the speed of light. If the answer had been much closer to the speed of light or exceeding it, that would have been a clue that (1/2)*mv^2 is not a good enough approximation and you need to use the relativistic form for kinetic energy.
 
Well, When I plugged it into my calculator I acually used <br /> <br /> v = \sqrt { 2 \frac {\mbox{4.8x10^{-16}J}} {9.109x10^{-31}Kg } <br /> <br />

and as far as the units go, That was a good call... it Should have been m^2/s^2. Thank You for that. I really appreciate your help.
 
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bishoy said:
Well, When I plugged it into my calculator I acually used <br /> <br /> v = \sqrt { 2 \frac {\mbox{4.8x10^{-16}J}} {9.109x10^{-31}Kg } <br /> <br />

and as far as the units go, That was a good call... it Should have been m^2/s^2. Thank You for that. I really appreciate your help.

Uh, J/kg is m^2/s^2. Sqrt(J/kg)=m/s. You were right, it's m/s. m^2/s^2 isn't a even a velocity.
 
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my apologies, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that J=kg*m^2/s^2.

Your help is much appreciated :)
 

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