Potential Differences in a Uniform Electric Field

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The problem involves a block with a charge connected to a spring in a uniform electric field. Participants are exploring the maximum expansion of the spring when the block is released from rest. The context includes concepts from mechanics and electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy in the electric field and the spring's potential energy, questioning how these energies can be equated. They explore conservation of energy principles and the implications of work done by the electric field and the spring.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the conservation of energy approach, while others are questioning the signs and values in their equations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to incorporate friction into the problem, with varying interpretations of the energy states.

Contextual Notes

One participant introduces a scenario with kinetic friction, which complicates the energy balance. There is a mention of non-real values arising from the equations, indicating potential misunderstandings or misapplications of concepts.

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Homework Statement



A 4.00 kg block carrying a charge Q = 50.o micro-C is connected to a spring for which k = 100 N/m. The block lies on a frictionless horizontal track, and the system is immersed in a uniform electric field of magnitude E = 5.00 X 10^5 V/m directed as shown in Figure P25.11. (not shown here, but the block is attached to a spring on it's left and the electric field is pointing to the right). If the block is released from rest when the spring is unstretched (at x = 0), (a) by what maximum amount does the spring expand?

Homework Equations



[tex]\Delta U = q_0 \Delta V = -q_0 E \cdot x[/tex]
[tex]U_{spring} = \frac{1}{2}k x^2[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\frac{1}{2}k x^2 = Q E x[/tex]
[tex]x = \frac {2 Q E}{k}[/tex]

and that provides the correct solution but why does this work? I realize I'm setting the potentials as equals, but how can I do this?

We have (a) the change in potential energy from the field and (b) the change in potential energy from the spring. Since the spring is at rest at first, it's total Energy is 0, but when it reaches it's maximum, it has only potential energy. How can we equate this?

Or, can we say that it does have some energy at first, the potential energy from the electric field?

[tex]E_i = KE_{spring} + PE_{spring} + PE_{E field} = 0 + 0 + PE_{E field}[/tex]

and then later we have:

[tex]E_f = KE_{spring} + PE_{spring} + PE_{E field} = 0 + PE_{spring} + 0[/tex]

then by the law of conservation of energy, we may equate these? So,

[tex]E_i = Q E x = \frac{1}{2} k x^2 = E_f[/tex]

?

I made a B last semester; thanks everyone for your help! :-)
 
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or, should I say that
[tex]W_{spring} + W_{E field} = 0[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{2} k x^2 - Q E x = 0[/tex]

when the total work is 0?
 
(d) Repeat part (a) if the coefficient of kinetic friction between block and surface is 0.200.

So I tried [tex]E_f - E_i = -f_k d[/tex]
[tex]-E Q x - \frac{1}{2} k x^2 = - \mu m g x[/tex]

but in this case the value for x would be non-real; twiddling with the signs failed to produce the correct answer. What am I not understanding correctly?
 
This seemed to do it:
[tex]E_f + E_i = -f_k x[/tex]
where [tex]E_f = \frac{1}{2} k x^2[/tex] at the strongest point it's energy is the potential of the spring
and [tex]E_i = - E Q x[/tex] at x = 0, the energy is the potential of the electric field on the charge

It seems odd that E_i is negative.
 

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