Potential Energy Car Downhill Question

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The problem involves a car's potential and kinetic energy as it coasts downhill after running out of gas. The car's mass, initial height, and speed are provided, and participants are exploring how to calculate the speed at the bottom of the hill using energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy, questioning the initial kinetic energy at the height of 36 m and how to set up the energy equations correctly.

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There is an ongoing exploration of energy conservation principles, with some participants attempting to equate initial and final energies. Guidance has been offered regarding the proper handling of equations and square roots, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or final speed.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem, including the conservation of mechanical energy and the need to correctly apply energy equations. There is some confusion regarding the manipulation of terms in the equations, which remains unaddressed.

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I was set this question and have no clue how to solve it...

A 1100 kg car racing up a mountain road runs out of gas at a height of 36 m while traveling at 16 m/s. Cleverly, the driver shifts into neutral and coasts onward. Not having any brakes, at what speed will the car reach the bottom of the hill?

I found mgh of the car as 1100 x 9.81 x 36 and then equated this to 1/2mv2 to try and find velocity and I got 26.5m/s but this is wrong...any help? Thanks
 
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what about the kenetic energy of the car when it is at 36m?
 
PE of car at 36m = mgh = 1100 x 9.81 x 36 = 388476
PE of car at 0m = mgh = 0

KE of car at 36m = 1/2mv2 = 1/2 x 1100 x v2 = 550v2
KE of car at 0m = 1/2mv2 = 550v2

Now where can I go from here?
 
what about Energie(s) intial = Energie(s) final
 
OK here's what I got for initial energies = final energies...(v = at the peak of the mountain and V = at the bottom)

388476 + 550v2 = 0 + 550V2

623.27 + 550v = 550V

1.133 + v = V

V = 1.133 + 16 = 17.133


But this is wrong...
 
The total mechanical energy of the car is the sum of its kinetic energy and its potential energy, both of which you know for the height of 36 m.

By the time the car reaches the ground, all of its mechanical energy (which is conserved) is kinetic energy - or, in other words, all of its original potential energy has been converted to kinetic energy (in addition to its original kinetic energy).
 
lando45 said:
OK here's what I got for initial energies = final energies...(v = at the peak of the mountain and V = at the bottom)
388476 + 550v2 = 0 + 550V2
623.27 + 550v = 550V
1.133 + v = V
V = 1.133 + 16 = 17.133

But this is wrong...

What exactly did you do here? It looks like you took square roots of some of the numbers separately, which really isn't allowed. The first equation is correct and you can solve for V simply by diving both sides with 550kg and then taking the square root. You should note however, that all the numbers must be within the same square root, you can't take the root from each one separately.
 

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